The protestant world has mainly the Baptists and the Methodists, and, Congregationalists. They are identical. You come in, sit down, sing a few wonderful praise hymns, the pastor talks about something, possibly a few words of scripture and you go home. No agenda, no lawyers for their religion. No great swelling claims about their org.
Jehovas tell the story of the virgin birth, the life and death of jesus, but there is this little bit they add. One being…Jesus was a created being, a brother to Satan, and of course, one has to be a member of their group to get salvation. 95% good food, 5% poison. Mormons tell the story of salvation, but they have what they call….another gospel of jesus Christ. heck, even their name means they are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Well, that says it all. One must be a member to get salvation. Magic underwear extra, tax not included.
The Marys…they have the story of salvation, the creation, the water to wine, the resurrection. But one must be subject to them for salvation. Plus they have their own gospel and volumes of canons, enough to stretch to the moon and back. 95% good food…5 % poison.
Rats are very smart and have unbelievable sense of smell. They wont eat anything suspect. That’s why we mix 95 % good food with 5% poison, so that they go on and eat it. But they die after eating it. Its done on purpose, to trick the animal into eating it. Rat POISON.
Jesus stands at the door and knocks. Open and he will come in and sup with you.
All Along the Watchtower 
The Marys?
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The Marys. The religion on Vaticanus Hill in rome. Vaticanus means fortune teller. The fortune tellers of old rome set up shop there, with Satans aid, to deceive many with their divinations. They are still there but now they hold up someone they call Mary.
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Fascinating. Never heard of them before. I’ll have to keep an eye out.
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Look up the original meaning of the word Vaticanus. It means black magic and sorcery and occult. Observe how in the Vatican, snakes are wrapped around the altar.
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Ullo Bosco dere, time you learnt the difference between rats, snakes, and cement doves.
Meanwhile, I have put a photo of you on my luvvly blogg.
http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/giles-fraser-appointed-bishop-of-calais.html
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Where have you published your etymological findings? I know several classicists and philologists who will be quite enthusiastic to learn that you’ve settled all debate on the question of the Etruscan heritage and meaning of Vaticanus!
But what does all that have to do with the Vatican altar? The only altars I know of in the Vatican are Roman Catholic, not this “The Marys” group you’ve described.
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I just thought id toss in the use of snakes in the Vatican. Ill leave it up to the readers to let them decide if there is any significance to all this info.
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So you’re saying there are snakes on an altar in the Vatican? Where?
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Somewhere on some altar. I couldn’t tell you which corner or what side of th Vatican it is. But to corroborate the occult meaning of the Vatican, there is a dragon on the Vatican coat of arms. Im sure I don’t have to explain that to you. Its rare for a false religion to leave so many signs out there for all to see. if I ran the Marys , I wouldn’t put all those occult signs up for everyone to see.
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Well now I’m even more confused. You can’t tell me where these supposed snakes are and then you tell me there’s a dragon where there are only keys and a crown… Is this some kind of elaborate Onion thing?
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St. Bisto, what is it in your life that has to true for you to act this way?
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The keys and the papal 3 tiers crown are the popes coat of arms. The Vaticans coat has a dragon. Ill put it up later on if yould like.
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Please put it up and link to the source, if you would. The only dragon I can find in relation to any of this is from the heraldic coat of arms of Pope Gregory XIII but I’m always happy for new information. Also, while your at it, I should really like to have a gander at these snakes you were on about. Oh, and since it seems that by “The Marys” you mean the Roman Catholic Church, what was the special gospel you mentioned in your intial post? I’ve only ever heard of the four. Is there a secret Catholic fifth gospel out there because, if so, I need to update my library.
You also claimed that this same group insists that salvation can only be had by being subject to them. If you do mean to equate “The Marys” with the RCC, would you tell me where I can find that in the current teachings of the Church? I’ve been all through the Catechism and Canon Law and I can’t find it. (Though I can’t find the snakes either, so my attention to detail must not be as sharp as yours.)
Thanks!
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Im stating facts good brother David. To be fair, the Mormons headquarters in Utah has all sorts of freemason symbols all over the building.
Remember…Rat Poison is 95% good food and 5% poison.
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Good brother DF, I think you found it. Gregorys coat of arms is the Dragon. You just refreshed my memory. I leave it to the reader to see if anything is suspicious about that.
About the other gospel of the Marys….its called the catechism.
Current teachings of the Vatican? there aren’t supposed to be any new teachings. The Marys don’t change. Doctors and popes have both declaird….there is no salvation outside of the bosom of the catholic church. You know this and I know this. Maybe you are one of the novus ordo Marys who let anybody and everybody, even jews, into heaven.
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Ah, so when you said, “there is a dragon on the Vatican coat of arms,” you weren’t offering a “fact” so much as telling a lie?
Never knew anyone to call the Catechism a gospel. Do they, or is it just you?
And now I’m even more confused, “The Marys don’t change” except for the “novus ordo Marys” who, if Marys don’t change, must not be Marys? Also, if Marys don’t change, at what point were they defined? Because if Gregory XIII is one of these ‘true’ Marys, then that means that all the changes up to and beyond Trent must not count as changes? Speaking of whom, didn’t he change the calendar that we all, like, use every day? That seems like a pretty big change to me, so he must not be a “Mary” after all… so then who do we need to watch out for with his family’s heraldic dragon?
It’s really impressive that you’re able to sort this all out but I’m going to need more help, clearly. Sorry for being such a slow study.
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There is a coat of arms with a dragon on it and it hangs in the Vatican, is this not true? You say I lied about it but you knew about it, and, you admitted it, like many in here wont do. I remembered it as the Vatican coat of arms but it was the coat of arms during Gregorys reign. The point is, a Dragon symbolized the papacy at his time, but its there for all time. Rev speaks of the Dragon.
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You did lie about it. You said, “there is a dragon on the Vatican coat of arms” which is clearly not the same as, “there is a coat of arms with a dragon on it and it hangs in the Vatican.”
All of which is to say nothing of this new information I’ve been learning about griffins lately.
I’m terribly disappointed.
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Oh gosh, im terribly sorry I confused you so much. I get my demons and dragons confused sometimes. There are so many in the CC its hard for me to keep track.
Forgive me.
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“Pope Francis has gone to South America and apologized,” she said. “Yet he is going to canonize the individual responsible for the genocide of Native people.”
http://news.yahoo.com/popes-apology-doesnt-change-opinions-canonization-143921467.html
Many yrs ago, when the Vatican sent its reps to the new world, if the indigenous people didn’t eat the rat poison…they just went on and killed them. Either way, at the hands of the vaticanus, you are going to die.
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These columns are actually serpents.
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By “actually” you mean what, exactly? Because I’m looking at them thinking they’re “actually” columns. Don’t serpents have mouths? and heads? and tails? and non-uniform body widths?
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Bosco – ‘actually serpents’ – really? Actual serpents, like one might see in the wild. Could you kindly help us here? By what process to ‘actual’ serpents get that long, that shape and stay in it for hundreds of years? Thanking you in advance for what I am sure will be a marvellously erudite explanation.
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Come on good brother. You embarrass youself. I never said they are live snakes. They are in the shape of a snake.
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Really, can you post me a picture of a snake which looks like one of those columns?
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Good brother DF, they don’t have to have a head. and serpents aren’t uniform. If one looks and thinks, the columns come out to be snake like. And the Dragon coat of arms is hanging on a wall in the Vatican. Heres a statue og Gregory with someone pulling away the sheet and exposing the real power beneath the papacy. Good brother DF, can you sugar coat the monster underneath goof brother Gregory?
here is a closer look
Snakes, monsters, pine cone staffs Dagon Fish hats. I leave it to the reader to decided if this is where his salvation lies.
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Now, let me deal with your other witless remark. The tomb was sculpted by Carlo Rusconi and finished in about 1723. Here is a comment about the allegories of the sculpture.
“Made by the Milanese sculptor Camillo Rusconi between 1715 and 1723, this monument represents the pope giving his blessing, on top of an urn bearing a relief showing the promulgation of the Gregorian calendar in 1582, when October 4th was followed by October 15th.
At the sides there are allegorical statues of Religion, holding the tablets of the Law, and Magnificence; at the base is a dragon, alluding to the heraldic device of the Boncompagni family.”
So his family had a dragon as part of his coat of arms…so what?
You’re ever expanding twitedness.
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Serpents don’t have to have heads? I’ve not seen these headless serpents of yours. Did you find them on your travels uncovering details of the ancient Etruscan language?
And if serpents aren’t uniform, but these columns are, then how are the columns serpents (even of your crtyptozoological headless variety)?
It also seems that by “actually” you mean “kinda like, if you squint and really want it to be”, just as by “fact” you mean “lie” and by “Marys” you mean… I’m still not sure what since you’ve still not told me from what point in time they never change. How can I hope to identify and avoid them if you won’t tell me who they are? I suspect you’re either having some clowning fun or else being very cruel indeed.
Also, if having a dragon underfoot means the dragon is a source of power, then does that mean that all depictions of Christ in which He is stepping on a snake mean to say that the serpent is the source of His power? That seems terribly wrong. Though, at least in this case, I guess we must owe the artist some debt for displaying a truth to us. Who was he and shouldn’t we revere him for having received and successfully tranmitted it?
And why should I want to even try to sugar coat a monster? I’ve never eaten monster myself but I doubt a sugar coating would make one any more appetizing. Or does the sugar coating help to repel these elusive unchanging Marys you’ve mentioned but refuse to detail? I’m about to do some grocery shopping, should I switch my breakfast cereal to Frosted Flakes in pursuit of some salvific sugar coating?
I must admit, this sounds sillier and sillier.
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St. Bisto, a further note on Pope Gregory XIII’s Boncompagni’s family coat of arms. Since you know nothing of heraldry, the beast is not a dragon but a GRIFFIN, which is part lion and part eagle. The meaning of a griffin in a coat of arms is as follows:
“The griffin, griffon, or gryphon (Greek: γρύφων, grýphōn, or γρύπων, grýpōn, early form γρύψ, grýps; Latin: gryphus) is a legendary creature with the body, tail, and back legs of a lion; the head and wings of an eagle; and an eagle’s talons as its front feet. Because the lion was traditionally considered the king of the beasts and the eagle the king of birds, the griffin was thought to be an especially powerful and majestic creature. The griffin was also thought of as king of all creatures. Griffins are known for guarding treasure and priceless possessions.”
Stop digging!
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That hideous beast under Gregory isn’t a Griffin, if that’s the beast youre referring to. I hope youre not referring to that monster. If you are, your eyes are worster than mine.
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There is no dragon in heraldry, it’s a griffin the fact you can’t see it or understand it is of no consequence. Go to Rome and see the Baldacchino for yourself, again, the only reason you see snakes is your twisted ignorant bigoted Anti-Catholic mentality.
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Uh , ive been to Rome, and ive seen the business end of that catholic church. I ran out because I was gonna vomit.
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“There is no dragon in heraldry”
What the hell is heraldry?
Who cares? The CC is top heavy in dead mens bones and monsters.
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Excuse me, I have to retract. The CC has relics, not just any mans bones, but bones of catholic saints.
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My last comment to Bosco has been lost, perhaps Chalcedon can find it and post it please?
Bosco. The photo above of Pope Gregory sitting on his tomb with the dragon underneath it does not mean that the pope receives his power from the devil. The statue represents the Church’s victory over the devil who is not killed (as he is looking up and breathing fire) but instead is held in captivity and is incapacitated.
This is all by the power of Christ.
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Done that Zeke – can’t see why the filter caught it.
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As usual, St. Bisto, since you’ve never been to St. Peter’s, you come across as just an ignorant bigoted Anti-Catholic twit.
I’ve been to St. Peter’s about 10 times, and the columns bear absolutely no semblance to snakes. For your education about the famous High Altar Baldacchino by Bernini here’s a valuable link: https://maitaly.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/bernini-his-mark-on-st-peters-basilica/ Read, learn and inwardly digest…then apologize to one and all.
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I skimmed thru the piece you put up good brother David. the pillars stillook like snakes and there is still some ghoulish monster under good brother Gregory. Besmirching me wont make those things go away.
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“As usual, St. Bisto, since you’ve never been to St. Peter’s, you come across as just an ignorant bigoted Anti-Catholic twit.”…………………. Why would someone wake up and decide to be anti catholic? I always thought that catholic was just another religion, no different than what my family did, but catholic services were more godly and reverent of god than my church. I used to think the CC was the rite place to be on important days like Christmas eve mass….and I used to go to them with my friends across the street.
Its the doctrine and practices of the CC that I warn people about. I warn my Jehova brothers and my Mormon brothers and my Methodist bros and my Congregationalists bros. I tell the Jesus stands at the door and knocks and that their religion isn’t working. Which is better….having Jesus sitting at your dinner table or attending some ritual festival?
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Where you see coiling serpents, Bosco, I see coiling vines. Jesus said “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.”
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Bosco, have you ever thought of writing for ‘the Onion’ – a great spoof – if a little hard on a certain type of evangelical protestant.
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Tell me more. No ones as hard on evangelical prots than I am.
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What is the Onion and how do I find it? Thanks in advance
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http://bfy.tw/160f
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Thanks
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I commend the honesty of the title; what you see is what you get. However, as rat poison it leaves much to be desired; nowhere near 95% good.
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I agree with Cathy.
I suspect many will simply be puzzled, Bosco. Is this an attempt at satire? If so, leave it to those with a sense of humour. Is it serious? If so, leave it to those who actually know something about the subject. To proceed, as you invariably do, on the basis of scuttlebut and rumour, mixed with an astonishingly bad eye for art, is to invite either ridicule or pity; on the basis of this, I have moved from the first to the second camp.
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Awww, but chal, I was just getting to the bottom of the ancient never-changing Satanic fortune-teller cult that turns pillars into snakes and is secreting around the Vatican with a fifth gospel! Add a Renaissance artist and call Tom Hanks (and ILM, for the snake pillars) because we can make some DaVinci Code money here…
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I suspect Bosco thinks the Da Vinci code is a history book 🙂 Don’t worry, nothing much stops him – facts, lack of evidence, none of these can stop him in his self-inflicted mission. Quite what the mission is, is, of course, a secret, there is a code inscribed on the back of the cement dove of the Calvary Chapel, carved by an albino evangelist – or something 🙂
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I never read the Da Vinci Code. Its a waste of time. if you like fiction, then go ahead.
Good brother blurts out “lack of evidence” My eyes are my evidence. Those pillars look like snakes more than they look like buffalo or apple trees.
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They look more like pillars to me.
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I never thought about them as snakes until a few days ago when reading about the CC and its symbols. And you can tell good brother David that I have been to St Peters(Vatican). So much for his accusations about me, which turned out to be FALSE. One more thing good bro Chalcedon..ask him how it feels to be wrong.
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Have you considered an eye test, Mr G?
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St. Bisto, you’re if you’re not an ignorant bigoted Anti-Catholic you’re an idiot. If you went to St. Peter’s and now years later you see snakes…get glasses. You know nothing about heraldry and yet you know that a Griffin is not a Griffin but a dragon.
Just go away, you keep making a complete ass of yourself.
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Well good brother David, I put up a pic of the Greg coat of arms below. Really. Am I making an ass of myself thinking this is a Dragon?
Times running short good brother.
Jesus stands at the door and knocks.
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Bosco is giving us 95% poison and 5% truth. This is worse than rat poison.
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Stuff a sock in it newengland.
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“the only reason you see snakes is your twisted ignorant bigoted Anti-Catholic mentality.”
I see snakes when I see snakes
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“I never thought about them as snakes until a few days ago when reading about the CC and its symbols”
So, you see snakes when you see snakes… and when you see snakes is a few days ago after reading that someone else saw snakes? Doesn’t that mean you see snakes after someone else sees snakes where you hadn’t seen snakes before? I’m so confused.
And where is this reading you’re doing? If I read it, do you think I’ll be able to see headless snakes too?
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How about graven images that come alive? Your religion is nothing but graven images. Here….have some……
Theres tons more vids of Marys and their graven images.
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So instead of answering questions, you’ve decided on YouTube videos and slander?
In this entire exchange you have shown yourself to be only a cruel liar who says “brother” to those you would harm and who seeks to sow confusion and disunity among the faithful.
I’ll have no more to do with you.
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Brotherdf, you would never admit the columns look like the bodies of serpents, even though they do. Could be the creator of them didn’t have snakes in mind. I played a tune on the piano called Invitation and the guy who asked me to play him something said the song was some other song, forgot the name, but they do sound alike. My friend, who is catholic, went to rome for the first time and to the Vatican. He said it looked spooky like the Devil lived there. My first thought was that the Devil lived there too.
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Freud might say …
No, I am too much of a lady to say. Google it.
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A griffin is a lion with bird or eagle wings. Now, im not Mr Zoology, but I know what a loins head looks like. I wasn’t aware they had long thin necks with small heads. This lovely coat of arms the creature has bat wings or dragon wings. Good brother David and others don’t want to admit its a dragon. Not good for the image of their religion. It keeps them from waking up in the night screaming.
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Go away…Der eitel Fant fracht an der philosph Kant…
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Is that all you have to say to me is go away? But im an ass, like you said, for believing that this picture is a dragon, when, as you say, its a lion. My mistake. Any idiot knows that is a lion. Gosh, I feel so, so, so stupid.
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say good brother David, im not finished making an ass of myself. Heres another view of Gregs griffin.
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One of the first signs of Rat Poisoning is halluciations. One looks straight at a horrible dragon and thinks its a cuddly little kitten.
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Heres the dragon enlarged. The dragon(griffin) is rite on top of the papal symbol. The dragon is the main focus of this Vatican masterpiece.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12; 7-9
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If any of you art critics notice, the to guys on each side of the Dragon, are also sitting on dragons. This is the home of the Dragon, its headquarters. It has done nothing but wage war with the saints of Christ since it first opened its doors. Bible believers by the millions were put to the stake by the Dragon.
Rat Poison recipe;
95 parts good food….5 parts poison. Mix till uniform then serve immediately.
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Wouldn’t having your foot on a dragon indicate that you have overcome it and are in fact victorious over it? Might a dragon on a pope’s coat of arms (I believe both Pope Gregory XIII and Pope Paul V had them, it just takes a little internet searching to discover the facts) be reminders to Christians of the presence of evil in the world and the need to be vigilant against the snares of the devil? Pope Paul V’s coat of arms contains a dragon underneath an image of an eagle. The eagle represents courage, strength and immortality.
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Yes good brother Zeke. The dragon means good over evil, I quess. Wait. DF and Good brother David said that’s not a dragon, but a lion.So, according to the big Marys here, there is no dragon. There are no gold cups, ther are no purple and scarlet clerics. Its all a protestant lie.
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Having a foot on your opponent would indicate victory. But in this vaticanus graven image, they don’t have their feet on the serpents. Nice try. Time is getting closer. Who do you want? A pedophile in a costume or Jesus at your table?
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Good brother Zeke spoke about this. No other good Marys will want to discuss this. CMarys are convinced that there is no evil in their gods true deposit of faith pope being god religion. Even though its filled with monsters and demons. They aren’t dragons….they are girffens, aren’t they good brother David…they are griffons. Brother David is smart. Youre smart…aren’t you David? You know a dragon from a lion any day……..don’t you good brother David…..because youre so smart…..aren’t you David?
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There is no dragon in heraldry, it’s a griffin the fact you can’t see it or understand it is of no consequence. Go to Rome and see the Baldacchino for yourself, again, the only reason you see snakes is your twisted ignorant bigoted Anti-Catholic mentality.
cOMPLIMENTS OF GOOD BROTHER DAID, WHO IS AILING FROM INGESTION OF rAT pOISONING.
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Sitting on your opponent, if you prefer, also indicates victory over it. Of course your protest doesn’t change the fact that each figure in the sculpture has a leg raised on top of the dragon.
And of course there is evil depicted in works of art at the Vatican, evil is the adversary of the Christian life and very much a part of our life on earth.
There are intellectually honest ways of investigating and interpreting the depiction of evil in art just as there is in any inquiry into what is true and what is speculation. I would think that someone such as yourself with a science background would value accurate and precise scrutiny of the facts.
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PS Bosco, notice that this dragon has its tail lopped off? The image conveys the message that it is powerless, overcome, and defeated. Same as the demon trapped under the tomb of Pope Gregory = overcome and powerless.
Unlike you, I am not playing a game of one-upsmanship. I am trying to have a mature conversation with you and discussion of the facts. Again, a man with a background in science is surely aware of the need for thorough research and precision in relaying the facts, no? A sloppy researcher is given no credence whatsoever.
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I don’t see a lopped of tail. The dragon is bright and center of the crest. It doesn’t convey that the dragon is defeated. It seems to show the dragon is central. The Lord told us of this dragon. The dragon that made war with bible believers. The dragon that burned Tyndale.
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Yes, its in the center of the crest for all to see, a dragon without a tail. It is defeated by Christ’s Church. As for Tynedale, every source I’ve read says he was strangled and burned by order of Henry VIII, King of England.
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Here is the Great Hall where the Dragon is the central figure.
Bible prophesy is deadly accurate. All the way down to the colors the woman wears and the gold cup in her hands. Even the city where she sits. praise god for showing us the end from the beginning
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Where is this Great Hall found, please?
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Its somewhere in your religions headquarters. Most in here know where it is, but they wont tell because it makes their religion look bad.
If I was some sap in some phoney religion, I wouldn’t deny and lie about obvious things in my sick sad religion. Id just get out and be glad I didn’t die in it.
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Offered for your benefit, GZ:
The Galleria delle carte geografiche is a gallery located on the west side of the Belvedere Courtyard in the Vatican. It takes its name from the maps frescoed on the walls, commissioned by Pope Gregory XIII in 1580, representing the Italian regions and the papal properties of the time. They were painted from drawings by the Dominican friar Ignazio Danti.
Also for your edification (and for any others of sound mind and sincere heart who might still be following this trainwreck), I offer the results of my research regarding the Boncompagni [Pope Gregory XIII’s family name] Coat of Arms:
Contrary to both Herr Monier-Williams and his unfortunately afflicted interlocutor, my inquiry has led to the conclusion that it is neither a griffin nor a dragon but rather the far less popularly known wyvern. Similar in appearance to (and thereby confused with) the dragon [which does, I’m sorry to report Herr Monier-Williams, appear in heraldry by the 14th century], the wyvern has only two legs as opposed to four [https://www.gutenberg.org/files/41617/41617-h/41617-h.htm]. The absence of any legs at all in the Boncompagni depictions [http://bibliotecaestense.beniculturali.it/info/img/stemmihtml/boncompagni.html] is likely to have added to the confusion.
Attesting to the likelihood of this being the creature on the Coat of Gregory XIII is that his family, Boncompagni, was a noble family of Assisi. Located in the Umbria region, Assisi is less than 50 miles from Terni and it would not at all be surprising if the Boncompagni Coat were to have been influenced by that of Terni.
According to local legend, a wyvern called Thyrus had been attacking Terni and killing the people of the town. Risking his own life to protect the citizenry, a knight of the Cittadinis fought and killed Thyrus. In commemoration of this brave act (i.e., one individual fighting and defeating a monster so that his neighbors might be saved from death), the wyvern was taken onto the Coat of Arms of Terni and still figures as a prominent symbol for the province today [http://www.motoclub-terni.it/].
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Its a wyvern, not a dragon. How stupid of me. I knew some good Mary worshiper would step up to the plate and sugar coat that dragon. Now, its time to sugar coat burning bible believers at the stakes. I cant wait.
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Thank you very much. I had found the hall of maps at the Vatican museum by searching online but I am grateful for all the information you shared. This discussion has touched off an interest in me in learning more about papal coat of arms, combining history, art, heraldry, and Catholicism, a perfect intellectual pursuit for the coming winter.
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Did you hear that good brother David…….its not a griffin, like you said…..its a wyvern. How stupid can you get?
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