Planned Parenthood and human sinfulness

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The conventional media has not been good at covering the Planned Parenthood scandal, even in the United States where it ought to be front-page news in every paper and heading up every news bulletin on the television. Social media, on the other hand, has done a very good job of publicising things which are so vile that to see people explaining it away is to enter into an understanding of how so many Russians and Germans could tolerate the Gulag and the Camps, and how our ancestors could defend slavery. The coverage by the pro-life groups strips away the tired old excuses and arguments advanced by the other side.

‘My body, my choice’, is the mantra; well, unless your body has two heads, four arms and four feet and two hearts, that is simply incorrect; it is someone else’s body inside your body, and what choice are you giving them? If you want to make your choice, do so before getting pregnant. The old ‘it’s a lump of cells’ line is rather ruined by the fact that PP sells ‘body parts’ – so, not ‘cells’ but ‘a body with parts’ then? It is about women’s health? Really, when may foetuses are female – their health is going to suffer. There have been nearly 58 million abortions in the USA since 1973 and 6.6 million in the UK since 1968. When pro-life campaigners call that a ‘holocaust’ they are not exaggerating – quite the opposite. So why no coverage in the UK and so little in the US?

There will be a variety of motives, but given the socially liberal views of most media folk, one wouldn’t be far wrong if one began with that. There is also a genuine, if from my point of view, misguided, view that women need protection and abortion is the only way to do it. But there’s something more. Europe’s population figures reveal that its inhabitants are not reproducing at anything like the rate needed to sustain population levels. In this country, the UK, it is the immigrants and their children who are reproducing most, and upon whom many of us are going to be depending for our old age pensions and medical care; indeed in my own case, without the help of what our newspapers call people of ‘Asian heritage’ (their parents are all from Pakistan, so don’t run away with idea that there’s a lot of Chinese or Japanese in these parts), I doubt Mrs S would get the care she gets. The lasses who pop in and help are paid peanuts, but when it comes to care, they are first-rate – but then, as I find when talking to them, most of them were brought up in traditional households, and they find it odd that the natives in these parts don’t care for their old folk as happens in their culture.

It seems to me that we, and by that I mean the Europeans and what used to be called WASPS in the USA, have no real interest in reproducing ourselves. We want to consume, we want to enjoy things, and we don’t want to make any sacrifices of investment in our own futures. Babies take up a lot of time and ‘resource’. Indeed, Mrs S and myself went precisely nowhere on holiday for about a decade, and made do and mended when it came to consumer goods – I write this at a kitchen table we bought in 1974 for £2.50 from a lady down the road – it’s worn rather better than she did, or, indeed, than we have. It is, no doubt, tiresome when planning what my youngest tells me is called ‘recreational sex’ (which is surely a misnomer as it has nowt to do with creation at all), to have to worry about the consequences of your actions, and much easier to outsource that to the pharmaceutical industries or the abortion clinic. But it is wrong, all the same. Folk don’t like being told they are behaving badly, never did.

My youngest is, of course right, when she tells me that I was against abortion before all this PP news – but now she has a better understanding of where my revulsion came from. But the fact is we are talking to a society so deeply in love with its own ease and needs that it will resent being reminded of the price it is is paying. It will, as we all do, make excuses for its sins, it will criticise, as it does, those who took the undercover videos, and it will criticise the tone of outrage hurled at it. It will continue to close its ears. Mankind cannot bear too much in the way of reality, especially when it comes to its sins. A society which does not believe in sin or evil has lost the moral markers which would help it to understand why human life is sacred, and, alas, why it is wrong to turn the womb into one of the most dangerous places a baby can be.

Those who offer real help to young women ‘in trouble’ – as we used to put it – do a great work of mercy. But it seems as though there is such a gulf between the pro-abortionists and the anti that no bridge can be build across it for the young women both sides are, in their own way, trying to help. I don’t suppose that most of those who supported slavery, or ignored the Camps and the Gulag, did it because they were bad people, and so I don’t find the abuse often hurled at many of those who support abortion, helpful – are we trying to relieve our own feelings or get through to those who don’t share them? It’s understandable, but not useful. It may be that revulsion at what’s in the videos (I’m not linking, they can be found easily enough on the Web) will begin to take its toll and the educative process be aided; but until we, as a society, learn to restrain our selfishness, I doubt anything will change much.

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98 thoughts on “Planned Parenthood and human sinfulness”

  1. Alas, my friend, amongst those raised on virtual reality no amount of film will penetrate to the core of their consciences. In fact, I doubt many of the younger folks have ever accessed the films, it indeed they even took time to read the headlines.

    Your headline might have struck out the word “sinfulness” and inserted the word “sacrifices” as both are to the point. Jeffrey Sachs, the purveyor of the, Sustainable Development Goals supported by the UN, many politicians and, sadly by our Pope, wish to eradicate poverty by limiting births; either by contraception or abortion. It seems we need to rid the plenty of many billions more to reach the level that they have decided (quite scietnifically I’m sure) is most beneficial for the planet and the future of mankind. It is just the application of farming methods to the human race. It must be planned by our elites as we are simply the dumb oxens that know nothing but an appetite for fresh straw and hay.

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    • Aye, as we say in these parts, ‘happen’. That was why I added the stuff from the Guardian, showing that here in Europe we’re actually dying out. It may well be that thanks to ‘scientific medicine’ helping more kids survive in the developing world, there are more people there – give them a stable political and economic settlement and they’ll all thrive. Perhaps our Middle East policy is a cunning plan to ensure lots of people who survived birth don’t live too long. They are all bonker, the lot of them.

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      • Indeed they are bonkers. Call me jaded but I do not think the pundits of smart are interested at all in the well-being of the poor . . . just the fact that poor people cause them to spend money they would like to spend on themselves.

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        • I think dfxc has a good point here. We can bang away from our pulpit – and especially in the USA, have done so. But we lost the war a long time ago. We have, somehow, raised a generation or two who just do not ‘get it’ at all – we might as well be speaking Swalhili to them. There’s signs the youngest generation – those in their early 20s, might be less lost to the horror than their seniors, but we have lost at least two generations, and our own. That puts us in a bad position to lecture. That said, we can’t be quiet – the question is how can we talk to these lost generations in a way which gets any traction?

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          • Short of the Ann Barnhadt solution of quitting paying her taxes as a protest . . . and risking imprisonment . . . I have no idea, Geoffrey. If everyone would do it, it would work . . . but if a few do it, they only end up being made examples of what the state will do to those who defy them.

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          • That’s the problem, we lost the battle before it was fought. We’ve had generations raised who seem quite ‘easy’ with all of this. Outside of some Evangelical and RCC circles in this country, there’s no real opposition at all. We keep hearing the NHS is running out of money, and yet it kills thousands of babies, pays for IVF for older women and for breast augmentation – world’s quite mad!

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          • You left out the right for for a person to declare himself of the other gender and demand that the state pay for the sex change operation . . . quite mad, indeed.

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          • Yes, we’ve that one too. There are reasons the NHS is running out of cash, and if it did what it was meant for, it wouldn’t.

            Mind, if I started saying I were of the other gender, Mrs S would tell me to stop being such an old woman – and then I could sue her for ‘hate speech’ perhaps? 🙂

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          • Aye, a good plan friend . . . if she has her own stash of money that is separate from your joint custodianship or which you know nothing about that is. 🙂

            I hope Mrs. S. is doing better and that you are finding the reserves of energy needed to care for her. God bless you both.

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          • Ah, well, that’s where it all falls apart, as she’d have to be sueing me – so perhaps I’ll abandon that one!

            Thanks for asking. We’ve been down at one of the daughters for most of the month, giving both of us a bit of a rest. We’ve now got some help at home, which is most useful in terms of giving me a bit of a break. Mrs S is fine apart from the arthritis, which is making walking difficult, and opening bottle impossible. The pain is unpleasant, but can, on the whole, be managed. She hates not being independent, but as I remind her, we’re a partnership and have been these many decades – not about to bail out now. Some fool suggested ‘sheltered accommodation’ – but only the once, and given my reaction, that’s where it’s liable to remain! 🙂

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          • Good for you, my friend. I see it much the same way. There are those who would take the easy route of shutting their loved ones away once they become a burden so that their quality of life is not disturbed; same mentality of many who procure abortions as well.

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          • Absolutely. As long as she’s prepared to tolerate what passes for my cooking, and as long as I don’t poison us both (and so far so good) then we’ll chug along just fine. The youngest lass being close by helps, and the social service lady popping in also helps. Of course, we’ve now got to ensure that this old piece of Yorkshire granite stays able to do all this stuff 🙂 A pint a day and a pipe a day keep me going – that and the word of God!

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          • My dad did the same for many years, though he was in his 80’s with the aid of some nurses that came in to help about 3 or 4 days a week. But when the alzheimers became more than he could deal with in his own frailty (bathing her and trying to take her out and about) he had to find a nice facility nearby where he would visit her on a daily basis. I hope it doesn’t ever get that difficult for the two of you. It was sad to see my dad and my mom so lonely for so much of their final days.

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          • Aye, sometimes a long life is not what we’d really like if we could see to its ending. My own folk died young, so I’ve no example of what it can be – so shall have to construct my own. I’ve now full command of at least five dishes – so as long as you like chicken, beef and two veg, I’m your man!

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          • I’m sure she appreciates your effort if not your cooking. 🙂

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          • Aye, well, given that I’d not cooked a sausage since I was an university, she’s lucky not to have perished from my experimental cooking 🙂

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          • Your wife is lucky. Had it been mine, she would have been eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches all this time. 🙂

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          • I took the broad-minded view! That is, that since I needed to eat, I’d better learn to cook what I liked 🙂

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      • Hi Geoffrey. Good to hear from you and glad to hear that you are receiving such good help for ‘Mrs S’.

        I noted your comments on the excellent care supplied by staff being paid ‘peanuts’. I had quite a discussion about this with Dave a while ago. As I suspected the excellence you report it is indeed generally the quality and compassion of service provided by folk I this industry across the UK. This is the work and business that my wife and I have been involved in since 1993. We operate both residential ’Care Homes’ and a network of domiciliary care companies. Most of this work is funded by Local Government at a level that results in low pay for staff doing a very demanding job.

        I am sure that your appreciation of these helpers, and your chats with them, goes a very long way to encouraging them in the work they do. From my conversations over many years with our staff I can assure you that appreciation from family and friends of those they care for is greatly valued and commented on frequently.

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        • Thanks Rob. I’m glad to think that our appreciation helps the staff, who’re all first rate. None of them blames their employer, they seem to understand that there is something lacking in ‘the system’ itself. But these lasses provide something priceless – actual care. You only have to talk with them to see that ‘carer’ is not just a job title.

          I’m glad you and your wife are doing something so Chrisian, Rob. I wish more Christians saw this as a mission, but I understand that the ‘margins’ are tight.

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  2. “A society which does not believe in sin or evil has lost the moral markers which would help it to understand why human life is sacred” — This, I believe, is the true heart of the matter and why I think that continuing focus on Planned Parenthood is actually detrimental to advancing justice. First of all, it distracts from the fundamental moral issue by involving us in convoluted and politically-charged arguments that have too many loopholes and angles of interpretation. As you note, excuses and rationalizations are offered and the filmers/distributors themselves become an object of dicusussion and argument, when in fact this is all a sideshow. That Planned Parenthood offers abortions is not the disease; it is a symptom. And that brings me to my second problem: Closing every single Planned Parenthood in the country today, right now, still will not have done anything to solve the moral crisis.
    We don’t need to legislate PP out of existence, we need to change the hearts of our neighbors and act in the world in such a way that no one will choose to make use of those services — not out of fear for violating man’s law but out of love for the gift of life given by God.
    Relative to this end, I think that rhetorics of political division only ever move us backwards.

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    • I agree quite a bit on what you say but the reality of a ‘bully pulpit’ that legislates immoral behavior tends also to condone it. We are almost hardwired to accept that which is legal as that which is morally acceptable even when it isn’t. We lost this battle in the political arena far before we even put up a good fight from a moral standpoint. It remains to be seen how good it does when the elites treat us as stupid cattle to be manipulated and so far we have proved them right. Sadly, nothing short of running politicians, elites, professors and the like who are conducting such experiments on us, our of business and pointing them out as the villains they are will stop this. At this point the move toward abortifacients is the ‘kinder and gentler’ approach, as is the limiting of children, a la the policies of China.

      1.3 billion children have died from abotions since 1980 and one wonders about the numbers prevented or terminated by abortifacients and contraception.

      http://www.numberofabortions.com

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    • Aye, I couldn’t agree more, The danger, and it is, as you say, happening, is that we end up arguing over the symptoms and not the disease. A society which has no sense of what is and isn’t sacred, isn’t going to understand us, even if we shout at it. We need more love, more care and less shouting at others.

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    • Well, imperfect contrition still works, i.e. the fear of hell. We all would love to live in a world where the love of God would prevent all sin, but we don’t. So, we must continue to have the guts to highlight the actions for which we will spend eternity in hell.

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    • Sure, I, and almost everyone like us, agree with you. The real solution is that PP and all like them die of starvation, as is appropriate for all who are racist and misogynistic. But, as Geoffrey said there are at least two generations out there, who missed the memo, and if we are not careful, and effective, there will be more.

      Defunding PP is a stopgap in a sense, but it is also a good, at least we will not be forced to pay for their evil. And if one gets people to watch the videos, it has much the same effect as watching an ultrasound of one’s own baby. One must start somewhere to roll it back. Preaching sin and hellfire to people who believe in neither is simply foolish, Preaching the love God has for us all, even the unborn may work, sometimes, especially as women realize what they have done, and many do.

      If you would start to roll back this curse in America, the best guide is how we have fought the gun control campaign. It’s becoming a win (vigilance is always required) and, in addition. it’s becoming a win built on our heritage, not coercion. Take the partial victory, and move on, to the next winnable piece. Rome wasn’t built in a day, or even a decade.

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      • Besides, PP is nothing more than a liberal money laundering operation anyway that gets around our laws about providing tax payer money for abortions (a lie that they perpetuate) by providing other (duplicitous) ‘women’s services’ that are available all over the place . . . and funded on the public dime: these are merely cover for their covert abortion practice. They take a nice chunk of their money and give it to progressive liberals who are running for office or to the Democrat Party. It is this cronyism that has to be eliminated everywhere . . . and as you say, piece by piece. We have the ‘goods’ on them and so we should act to defund them. I’ll take a small victory over a small defeat everytime.

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        • All that you say, with one exception, they do NOT provide other women’s health services, all they do is tell you where to go. They are an exact analogy to Kermit​t Gosnell, and abortion mill, nothing more, except for the cronyism, and bribery, and coercion of others.

          We’ll win some, we’ll lose some likely, but over time, it’s fixable, although our churches could do a lot more in this area. As you say, small victories are much better than small defeats, and the large ones will come, in due time.

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          • Agreed. Until we can stand up to the left and point out to the people what these cronyist tactics are we will continue to let them brow beat us with all their pet accusatorial names. Our leadership is quaking in their boots at being called racist or flat earthers or women haters etc. The sad thing is that they also do not want to have themselves exposed either: as cronyism is everywhere in Washington . . . only the liberals have turned it into a science. Trump’s success so far is not because people are enthralled with Trump but that we are sick to our core of politicians who hide under their desks and haven’t the nerve to point out corruption when they see it. Clean your own house and then shine the light on the left and we might just not need a Trump anymore.

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          • Small men and large events.

            But in truth, there is little difference between the national parties, they are two sides of the statist coin, both have gotten rich on what if we did it would be bribery pure and simple. They are not even the ‘B-Team’ but are truly those who could not make an honest living and so they live (very well) by (and for) lying. Until good men (and women) are again willing to serve, this is what we’ll have.

            Trump is a narcissistic​ fool, not very different from Obama. there is no there, there.

            But keep your eyes on those like Fiorina, if we are wise, people like her are the future..

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          • Indeed, I think the story of Trump is best viewed from the surge in the polls of Florin, Carson and Cruz. All are very anti-establichment types.

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          • It’s interesting comparing here with the USA. There you have Trump, whose popular appeal seems based on being ‘unspun’, here we have a fellow called Corbyn, as far-left as you can get, whose appeal is just the same. Bith tap into a deep well of public discontent with politics and politicians – it may be too much to hope that the latter will wake up – but it is good that they are being given a big fright!

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          • Indeed and both parties are being shook up here. We not only have the ‘loose cannon’ Trump on the right but we have an avowed socialist (more Marxist than socialist) drawing the biggest crowds on the left. There is something attractive to both parties to ditch the professional cronyist politicians and their policies that are driven by the same corruption that got them elected.

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          • Corbyn is an unashemed old-style socialist, indeed really a Communist, but he is unspun, patently believes the nonsense (from my point of view) he spouts, doesn’t indulge in personal attacks on his opponents, and is attracting huge crowds with his main argument, which is that as it was not ‘the people’ who caused the financial crisis, why should they be the main sufferers, when the culprits, the bankers, got away scot free and are still making fortunes? That’s a hard one to argue against.

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          • Indeed it is: though we sadly put those crooks in office. There is at least some small amount of responsibility for those who voted for them.

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          • Seems to me that here, and probably with you, everything depends on the current system doing something it’s not doing, which is delivering prosperity to more people. Here we see a real problem for the young getting decent jobs at a decent salary. The best folk get creamed off into ‘the city’, to play at moving money around. No one seems to make anything any more!

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          • Yes, the market has turned into a gambling parlor where the house always wins. Its as though everything from politics, business and wall street are rigged and the only winners are the elitists we entrust our well being to. Are we simply insane? It would seem so.

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          • i think most of us simply don’t know how it happened – or how to stop it. It is this from which trump, Corbyn and other demagogues will benefit.

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          • Sadly, the word was out for a long time but as long as their lives seemed to be stable, they refused to listen; even calling others conspiracy theorists and the like. But once it is their job and their retirement that evaporates they suddenly wake up and say, “how could this have happened.” My answer is apathy and indifference.

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          • To some extent, my friend, but also, I think, trust. People in our countries had come to trust that their leaders were, on the whole, honest men – not crooks.

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          • As I say, we were told they were crooks but did not believe them. We like to extend our trust to those who are our leaders. Finally, the majority of folks are finding out that the “chicken little’s” of this world were not crying “wolf” just to hear their own voice.

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          • The difficulty is that much of this, in this country, came from the Left, and most of us had long learned not to believe them even if they told us today was Monday!

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          • Same here. I am just now listening to the spokesman for the Whitehouse lie to the reporters about our low unemployment rate which does not count all the people who quit looking for jobs. It is all just smoke and mirrors and they try to gain trust which works with those who want it to work for them.

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          • I think, increasingly, it won’t work. No one believes a word these rogues say.

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          • Thus these strange folks who are being supported in a bid for leadership positions in our countries. It really isn’t all that strange at all. It’s about time, if you ask me.

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          • I agree – but demagogues are also dangerous – but they may be necessary.

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          • They are; and are as dangerous as what we have presently. It only shows how desperate people have become. We would rather have a benevolent dictator than a corrupt cronyists.

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          • If we’re not lucky, we could end up with both, of course!

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          • Very possible my friend.

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          • Here’s what looks like a blast from the past, but is actually Corbyn’s website – make you smile – or weep – or both:
            http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/

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          • Yes, both.

            Although I must say that I would support more services for the mentally ill if it would cover leftists like Corbyn and his ilk.

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          • We would be overwhelmed – perhaps an island somewhere far away for them to create their utopia?

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          • Yup. 🙂

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    • The greatest benefit that these horrific videos provide our culture is that we can actually SEE the result of abortion. Once an average women sees this stuff, HER own mind may be changed so that she would never get an abortion. She might not want to “force” her views on to other women, but the net effect is that one less woman would consider abortion for herself. When the argument is “Don’t tell me what I can and can’t do with my own body! and “Close PP Now” the argument is over. When the argument is “Do you really want to choose to do this, now that you know what is clearly happening?” the prolife argument has force and can sway an informed person to not to do it.

      The argument of the 70’s doesn’t hold much water today when we can see the human body parts for ourselves. If we want to see less and less abortion, I think we might try to educate women, one at a time, what really occurs during an abortion. That will be much more impactful than trying to take away what they perceive as their “rights.”

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      • Good thoughts Jim. I’ve a follow up I’m working on now, trying to say something about the problems from the point of view of the young – coming really from talking to my daughters, who are in their 30s. It’s a deal more complex than an old fellow like me had grasped.

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  3. From today’s Daily Telegraph, “Assisted dying is slowly turning into a fashionable, liberal cause” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/assisted-dying/11820483/Assisted-dying-is-slowly-turning-into-a-fashionable-liberal-cause.html

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    Oh, wonderful Brits, oh, noble Brits, you are carving out the complete,”Culture of Death,” If you don’t like the bump in your tum, then rub all out. Some have declared if the bump turns into a babe you don’t like the looks of, rub all out. The old and the feeble, too expensive to keep, rub all out. If in pain no matter the age, rub all out.

    Oh, noble Brits, you have even outdone your patron Saint H. Himmler. How proud you must feel in this modern diverse enlightened age. Your motto, “Give up hope all ye who enter here.”

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    • I think: ‘I’d be very happy to ‘assist’ any liberal who wants to die early – indeed the earlier the better!’ But then my Christian conscience kicks in – but there was a moment before that happened when I felt quite savage about these fools. I suppose if they want to kill each other legally, fine – perhaps they could book a plane to the Swiss Clinic – but they should leave the laws alone.

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  4. Nice article Geoffrey. Thanks for the topic. One thing I’d like to say is this: “Yes, Geoffrey, there are bad people in the world.” While it is charitable of you to not label the pro-choice league’s members evil, it is a stretch to call them “good” as opposed to the label “bad” you have a hard time applying to them. It has been a holocaust of a sort and to compare the killing of these innocents by the millions is no misuse of the word. Also the comparison of the mind-set that remains numb and blind to the brutality involved in the killing of persons in such numbers as that which had to permeate the social order to look away from the gulag and the death camp and the ghettos, etc. is the same. Those who dare to show these blind people the truth about their plight do risk much. Keep in mind it is a killing machine and it may turn to kill others, not just its intended targets, the baby in the womb. Yes, those who support the killing of innocent children in the womb for any reason cannot be called good people. They may not be totally depraved and ready for incarceration, but they cannot be called good. Each baby killed is a human soul loved by God. Each and every one of them. Let the children come to me, He said. They can’t if no one allows them even the breath of life. Barbaric is the correct term I think for all those who think children need to continue to die so the sex lives of the loose livers will be maintained without the burden of the child that may spring from their loins. God bless. Ginnyfree.

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    • There’s nothing there I disagree with, save the suggestion that at leats some of these folk can’t be ‘good’. We’re all sinners, there’s not one of us if we got what we deserve would escape that lake of fire Bosco’s going to. If we remember that, perhaps it will be easier to find the language in which to talk to some of these folk. I dont doubt there are bad folk aming them, but I suspect the majority have given it little thought, accept the conventional liberal arguments, and go on their way. They find the spectacle of Christians screetching at them unpalatable and close their ears. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t talk, but it means we need to find a way – and since we’re all sinners, we’ve a common starting point.

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      • In an age where any talk of morality glasses over the eyes of the intended audience, I would doubt there is a way to convince those who are grazing contently out in the pastures of life. The RCC has quit moralizing behind its own doors unless it has to do with some social problem like racism or poverty. In fact, on issues of the flesh, the recent scandals have destroyed any credibility to preach a sermon on the sins of the flesh or sins against the children of the womb.

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        • Aye, it’s one of the many bad consequences of those scandals. It gives those who don’t want to listen a chance to accuse the RCC of hypocrisy – a bit ironic since that’s what they are also doing.

          The fact is that as a society we’ve been accepting this for much of my life-time. Everything some of us said back in the 60s has come to pass, but such is the moral deafness, no one is listening save those as don’t have to because we already see.

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    • Ginny let me add to the Holocaust the one in four women who have been abused in one form or another. Abuse is abuse.

      An infant girl learning to walk, toddled along as though dancing or so it seemed to the father. He loved to see her dance. To encourage her, he would put a hot baked potato in her diaper!

      At the age of seven she started piano lessons once a week at the male teachers home. At the end of each lesson she had to satisfy him orally to she was in her late teens.

      And some think the Holocaust is over.

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  5. I think you are correct, Geoffrey (and good to see you back, and glad to hear things are a little better with Mrs S), and that to shout our outrage at those who fail to grasp why we say human life is sacred, is probably counter-productive. I think your idea, that starting by acknowledging that we, too, are sinners, and proceeding from there, has to be a better way.

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  6. On a day that most of the world seems to have come to believe as the Chinese, that most financial instruments need some trimming, and the PP videos are not having their desired effect, if might be a good time to mediate on “The dangerous faith.”

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-dangerous-faith.html

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    • That’s a good post Steve – thanks for it. Aye, it seems that maybe the 1% may realise that if no one can afford to buy what they make money from selling, it will cause a problem or three.

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      • Very good post, indeed. And to Geoffrey’s point – yes, and that was the genius of men like Henry Ford, they made enough profit to pay their workers enough to purchase what they made.(I’m sure there are British equivalents) And that is the weakness now, none (or almost none) of us can afford what we make, mostly because we don’t make anything, we simply reshuffle what is already made, and there is little legitimate profit in that._

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  7. Well, it’s late and all the eyes have gone, but here goes. The comments on this post have tended to the political, but should be about the morality of PP and our sinful nature.

    Are we scared? Have you ever had the guts to call someone a Christ hater? If any organization has ever been, PP is certainly one who hates Christ. Made up of ‘good people’ I can already hear you saying, but still fact.

    The war going on in and around the Hugo Awards in the small world of science fiction writing may be of no interest to you, but John C. Wright summarizes the controversy rather well. A Catholic, he justifies calling others Christ Haters, chronicles its consequences, and explains the magistery of the sacrament of reconciliation.

    Until we see and understand the enormity of the sexual revolution, I guess we will see it as just another brick in the wall of separation between the secular and spiritual, and hence of little concern.

    Please consider reading Mr. Wright’s complete thoughts. Here are two of his paragraphs: “Why does this hope leap up in my heart? Because if Mr. Hayden were truly and utterly lost, it would not bother him to hear his support of contraception, abortion, sodomy and euthanasia called Christ-hatred. Christ said that we who love Him does what He says. Those who do the opposite, and who hate and persecute the body of Christ, hate Christ.

    Sin darkens the intellect. Sin makes you stupid. Support for contraception tempts the weakminded to support the sexual revolution hence to support abortion; support for the sexual revolution require the normalization of divorce, then fornication, then perversion; support for abortion tempts the weakminded to support euthanasia, because human life is no longer sacrosanct, but instead merely an adjunct to human bodily pleasure. Once an otherwise intelligent and decent man is convinced all these abominations and horrors are moral, he has a visceral hatred of morality, of decency, and of honest, and he soon learns to hate decent and honest people.”

    Here’s the rest: http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/08/in-memoriam-of-the-hugo-awards/

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    • I’m sorry Steve, I think there is a very easy answer to this which Wright isn’t getting. No one likes being insulted. Being called a ‘hater’ of anything is going to get someone’s goat. It doesn’t mean (except to those with the wish in their own head) that the guy’s really feeling bad about his own positions and may change; it means he’s fed up with being called a ‘hater’. Nor does it mean that he really, in his heart, supports what you and I would call ‘decency’ and just needs to be awoken to the fact.

      Unless we, as Christians, stop treating anyone who disagrees with us the way liberals treat anyone who disagrees with them, then we shall continue to look shrill, hating and unattractive to most non-Christians. This will allow us to bask in a sesne of self-righteousness, but won’t convert a peanut.

      I’d be more impressed if anyone showed me an example of all this ‘Christ hater’ stuff converting someone to Christ. I doubt it has or ever will. Jesus did not proceed by calling his enemies out. The ones for whom he reserved his harshest words were the overlyobservant Pharisees, who did, indeed, call their enemies out.

      I’ve spent nearly forty years preaching in the street evert Saturday, and have enjoyed some success, thanks to the Spirit, but if I’d stood there denouncing folk, I’d probably, rightly, have had my collar felt by the police.

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      • Geoffrey, attracting people is not the sole reason for evangelization. The need to be attracting people leads to marketing strategies to bring about this end. Marketing strategies are for the latest in kitchen gadgets and breakfast cereal, not the Gospel. Steve is right. Just because you sit out each Saturday and have become a part of the landscape, doesn’t mean you are carrying out God’s will, nor does it mean yours is the only/best/effective means of carrying the Gospel Message. It would be pure arrogance to claim such by anyone. I’ve seen many street preachers in my days and most are simply part of the landscape. Some are wackos who think they are God’s messengers. Some are dangerous like the Muslim Brotherhood.

        One simple question Geoffrey: have you ever in all your days of street preaching spoken directly to the issue of abortion or contraception? You may be asked this simply question at your particular judgement for it really has been the issue of our days. It still is. The Culture of Death has had the greatest support by the silence of the masses. The sinfulness of silence in the face of such evil is not going to disappear. God bless. Ginnyfree.

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        • Yes, it is a fequent topic. But if I stood there condemning those who use it and calling them ‘Christ-haters’ I’d rightly be considered a whacko. Those who don’t know Christ can’t ‘hate’ what they don’t know. What they are hating is smug self-righteous people who feel called by their Christian faith to condemn them. We’re all sinner, we all needed dragging to Christ – and we were all loved even though we were sinners. I try to do what Christ did for me.

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          • You are correct, love the sinner & hate the sin. And thanks for being out there. But we need those who are willing to shine light on the sin in a way that has a chance to wake up and shake up our moral conscience.

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          • We do, but I have never found that calling an individual out works. You have to be able to fund common ground – and since we all are sinners, that’s not as difficult as it sometimes seems.

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        • Yes Ginny, it’s time to speak up and act up and act out, for silence has not worked. Maybe not individuals because they will react as Geoffrey says, but organizations such as PP need to be exposed.

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  8. This is worse than simple sinfulness, this is satanic. This reaches levels of callous cruelty and evil that it goes beyond the human perception of moral turpitude. It is the kind of thing that our ancestors would have imagined only demons themselves could enact.

    As such, I make the solemn and ominous suggestion that there are few if any limits of restraint which remain when it comes to ending this ongoing holocaust. Those with whom I find the most profound political disagreements are still afforded many protections, but the butchery committed here is not political, it is diabolocial (in the very literal sense of that word).

    A applaud ANY and ALL action taken to end this.

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    • *diabolical

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    • If we break God’s commandments, then the devil wins a doubke victory. We cannot fight evil with its own weapons. God did not choose to save us through anger or hatred or chastisement, he chose to save us through love and suffering himself. It would be a poor response to join in the evil.

      I think the videos will have a long term effect. There is a reason that the abortionists do not like anyone describing or showing what they do – no one who has seen those videos can be in any doubt you are right about the satanic nature of what is happening. But if we react with violence, we shall lose that moral high ground we hold.

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      • The Nazis were responded to with violence. The Islamic invasions of the Holy Land were responded to with violence. Violence, under informed terms, in order to protect the innocent is just. Never has Christian doctrine stated that we are to lie back should someone try to murder a child in front of us.

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        • They are not analagous. In the two cases you mantion, governments organised and supported war. Now our governments would gladly lock us up.

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          • Geoffrey, it is a war. In my country alone since the passage of Roe vs. Wade and Doe vs. Bolton, there have been over 57,000,000 children aborted. That is more blood than all the wars in the world ever. That is a fact. Can God look away much longer?

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          • God never looks away. God hung on the Cross for us. He did not yeild to Satan’s temptations when he was in the wilderness, and as he told Pilate, the latter only had jurisdiction over him because God allowed it. We are not to war with evil by using its methods. Satan wins twice if we do that.

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          • Okay Geoffrey. If you think speaking against abortion is a temptation from the devil. then I cannot change how you see that. But there are many who think otherwise.

            I’m really not happy with the limited number of homilies I’ve heard in Church in all the years I’ve been going that even mention abortion, contraception or sterilization,. It may be less than a handful of times. Really. I’ve only heard Hell mentioned a few times too. I might add here that my attendance has been substantially more than just Sundays. I don’t say this to brag or sound righteous, but to give an idea of how many homilies I’ve heard in say the twenty plus years I’ve been going to Church. This is a sinful omission. It is because there is a fear of not pleasing the crowd lest they rouse the sleeping giant. God bless. Ginnyfree.

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          • And what of the German resistance fighters, who acted seditiously against their own government for their knowledge that what was occurring was profoundly evil and they had a duty to stop it.? Their government not only gladly locked them up, but killed them.

            If the government of any country sanctioned the murder of one’s own children, would a parent have recourse to defend that child’s life by any means necessary, or turn the child over to their death?

            So, the government would lock people up. What of it? Even if one goes to their death, few reasons could be higher than protecting the defenseless, showing courage in the face of evil. I can never condemn the stance of those such as the Army of God. To do so would be to claim that the hand of death must not be stayed, that it is the honorable Christian thing to do to sit and watch millions snuffed out.

            Within every man who watches the murder of children, a voice within cries, ACT ACT ACT. Do not let them do this wicked thing!

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      • Geoffrey, who raised a whip of cords to those money-changers in the marketplace before the Temple? And that was ONLY making a few bucks off of a simply monetary exchange!

        We’re talking trading in the tiny body parts of aborted babies! I agree with Mark. It IS diabolically evil and you simply have to call them what they are: haters of life and it’s Author! Let’s talk about a female surgeon in 1925 England. She’s overheard at lunch discussing the dissection of babies while nibbling her meal and sipping her wine. She’s telling her lunch mate how much money she will get for each baby’s parts. She is also telling the lunchmate that this profit in baby body parts is above her fees for their murder! Then after all that, she sits back and is rather proud of her business acumen and then really lets her excellence show as she explains how she managed to turn the baby in utero from a head first position to breech so she can remove the baby feet first because this much more painful procedure for the woman will result in a fully intact head that will fetch more money than if the mother is allowed to deliver head first. In 1925 this woman would be confessing to the Crime of the Century and would be very quickly compared, (rightly so) to Jack the Ripper and cries for her hanging would be very loud. No, someone like this has not one bit of affection for Jesus Christ. Mark’s point about the barbaric interpretation of all this in other ages being rightly attributed to the devil is also spot on. This age no longer even believes the devil is real, so if he’s not real, how could he be influencing persons in such ways? Saying so today in some conversations would result in the person attributing this most heinous of criminals to the devil would result in the firm statement they need their heads examined and there is something seriously wrong with them in a mental way for imagining demonic influences! That’s how far we devolved. Yeah.

        Stepping down from the soap box, Ginnyfree is taking her marbles home with her now while she still has a few. God bless. Ginnyfree.

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      • No one who speaks against the evils of this day is breaking any Commandments. No one advocated actual violence to stop an abortion. We saying speak up Geoffrey, when you preach on those streets on Saturdays. Dare to tell the Truth instead of tickling ears and “winning souls to Christ” by never saying anything that may offend their delicate constitutions. Puke. That is the word the Lord Himself uses to describe such nonsense. Rev. 3:16 “But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.” Yeah. Puke. God bless. Ginnyfree.

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        • but some have advocated and used violence, ginny, some have killed abotion doctors – that is not God’s work. It is thr Spirit who brings people to God, I only scatter the seed, it grows where the Lord wants it to grow. In many years preaching, I have seen many hearts opened to the Lord, and I think him for giving me the strength to do it for so long. At my age it is no longer possible, but I can still hand out tracts and offer food and shelter to thise down on their luck.

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          • Geoffrey, I am late in commenting but after reading many of the comments here I want to pipe up and support your view. I am free to disclose that my own sister had an abortion many years ago and written about “her choice” online. When she later married and gave birth to a beautiful daughter, she raised that daughter to be pro-feminist and pro-choice, and I must add, anti-Christian.

            Violence perpetrated by “Christians” to counter the abortion industry only adds fodder to their hatred and justifies their own position of occupying the higher moral ground (for, as they see it, they are not hypocrites like the followers of some so-called God of Love. They instead see themselves – as misguided as they may be – as champions of a just and legal “right” that improves the lives of countless women and their “wanted” children.) (I will add that they also support illegal late-term abortion as they take the stand of “Abortion on demand at any time without apology.” They are need of our prayers.)

            Yes, my sister and her daughter are haters of religion. But…

            Are they “Christ haters”? How can they be if they have never met Him? Are their hearts hardened and their “necks stiff” as it says in Exodus? Yes, indeed they are. Will the first person reading this who claims they are not heart-hardened and stiff necked in some way please raise their hand now? I know that I cannot raise mine.

            Are my sister and her daughter “bad people”? As much as their pro-abortion anti-religion beliefs cause me deep distress, I do not think of them as “bad people”, only badly misguided people!

            Will throwing a bomb into an abortion clinic by a “Christian” open their hearts so that they hear God calling their name?

            Will they respond to a sidewalk evangelist who spouts hell fire and calls them evil sinners? They have seen the Westboro Baptist Church members at work and will only equate any well-meaning sermons on sin and damnation with that hateful group. I know this is true because I have seen it and heard it in my own conversations with my sister and niece. They have build up a wall of defenses against such an approach that cannot be penetrated with words they believe are hateful and hate-filled. Bullets might penetrate their defenses, but to what end? More blood shed and death? This surely is not the way of God.

            Will they respond to a sidewalk evangelist who is gentle, kind, speaks of love and offers shelter and comfort to the poor and distressed? Much more possibly the answer is a resounding YES. What my sister and niece need is a doorway that is opened to them where they can enter and experience the Love of God.

            God calls each one by name. I believe that conversion is a personal event and it happens to each individual uniquely and quietly. This is what I believe and I pray for the conversion of each individual who has been deluded by the “pro-choice” rhetoric.

            I commend your sidewalk ministry, Geoffrey, and wish I only had the courage to do the same, but alas, I am a stiff-necked and hard-hearted coward.

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          • I agree Zeke, and I can quite understand why so many find Christian condemnation repugnant. It isn’t that we are somehow pricking their consciences, it is that we come across as self-righteous hypocrites. Unless we can begin where they are, by acknowledging what we have in common – our failure to live up to what we preach, we shan’t get anywhere.

            I used to enjoy my street preaching, and found real interest quite a lot of the time 🙂

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