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“There is no sin that cannot be forgiven except the one without repentance”
“Repentance is given us as grace after grace, for repentance is a second regeneration by God. That of which we have received an earnest by baptism, we receive as a gift by means of repentance. Repentance is the door of mercy, opened to those who seek it. By this door we enter into the mercy of God, and apart from this entrance we shall not find mercy.”
St. Isaac the Syrian
We see from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians that being ‘born again’ provided no protection from sin. The Church, founded only recently, and therefore, we have to assume, full of people who had been born again, was consumed with factionalism, and that factionalism was both a cause of and a symptom of the corrosive effects of sin. If we list the issues his letter covers, we see – across the gap of nearly two thousand years – ourselves. Paul covered a number of different issues related to both life and doctrine: divisions and quarrels, sexual immorality, lawsuits among believers, marriage and singleness, freedom in Christ, order in worship, the significance of the Lord’s Supper, and the right use of spiritual gifts; all of these are with us today. Did the Corinthians listen? If we are to judge by Clement’s letter to the Corinthians (written, probably, about fifty years later), things were little better at a later date, as clement writes:
we consider that we have been somewhat tardy in giving heed to the matters of dispute that have arisen among you, dearly beloved, and to the detestable and unholy sedition, so alien and strange to the elect of God, which a few headstrong and
self-willed persons have kindled to such a pitch of madness that your
name, once revered and renowned and lovely in the sight of all men,
hath been greatly reviled.
Both Peter and Paul had, he reminded them, been betrayed by ‘jealousy and envy’ – so again, among the brethren, strife and dissension had led the Church into crisis.
Paul had not preached a Gospel that required the Church to draw away from society into some Essene like wilderness, he had preached it in an urban area rather like many of our own – one full of different cultures with various ideas about matters such as sexual morality, spirituality and marriage. He called the Corinthians out on the view some of them had expressed, which was that as they were saved, they could indulge in sexual vice without it having any impact. Repentance was not some one-off event, after which the born-again could do as they liked, and the thought that it was was a dangerous one, as it obscured the fact that sin persists, and that as long as it does, so must repentance.
The blood of the Lamb was shed for all, but not all receive him, and not all of those who call him Lord will be recognised as his by him when they call on him. Like the Corinthians, we have not learned the lessons Paul taught, and the sins mentioned by him and Clement are still there in us. Because so few now seem to believe in the reality of the devil, we often, to our peril, neglect the use he can make of our tendency toward sin. This is a race we must pursue to the finishing line, confident that if we strive in Him and show true repentance, all will be well and all manner of things will be well.
njb4725 said:
An excellent piece.
Lately I have been thinking about King David when he was rejected by Israel and the Philistines and what this means for us by way of metaphor.
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Bosco the Great said:
The guy in the picture is doing the occult hand sign. Cathols lap that up.
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Servus Fidelis said:
As a member of the demonic forces you see the occult in all things just as Christians see the hand of God in all things. We praise God and you try to tell us that we should esteem and quake with fear of the occult as you do. Christ has the power and your Father of Lies is already mortally wounded. Christ overcomes; He is not overcome by your idols.
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chalcedon451 said:
Really? Well, he’s Eastern Orthodox – so perhaps it is a Christian symbol used by followers of Christ. Odd, if you follow him, that you do not recognise it.
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Bosco the Great said:
Orthodox is as bad as Rome. ill explain below.
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Bosco the Great said:
To be fair, Protestantism doesn’t save either. But Protestantism doesn’t bar the way to salvation like Catholicism does. Signs and symbols do work magic on the soul. I didn’t believe that until recently. How do we know the upside down cross is wicked? We don’t, but our soul does. How do we know the Dagon fish hat is evil? We don’t, but our soul does. How do we know these hand signs are demonic? We don’t, but our soul does. If we don’t know, what does it matter?
Our soul rules us. Look at how upset cathols get when confronted with the word of god. The soul say…..hey, I don’t want to hear that. Prots don’t get so angry. Their soul hasn’t been inundated with satanic symbolism. But its still up to the individual to ask for salvation.
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David B. Monier-Williams said:
We have “The Way,” and will persevere to the end through repentance and the Eucharist.
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Bosco the Great said:
Sure thing my brother
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Servus Fidelis said:
As the upside down crucifix is a blasphemous act which mocks the Crucified Christ, so do you mock and condemn the Holy and the Sacred. No Catholic gets upset when confronted by the Word of God; we defend it with our lives and many a martyr has died for it. You, Bosco, would have not need to have fear of the Word of God either lest you twist it and turn it on its head like the Satanists do with the Crucifix; and you do not even understand how you have mocked and blasphemed Christ, His Mother, His Church and His Sacraments and Graces. Have you not heard the old line: ‘methinks you protest too much?’ It indicates that you are yourself much more guilty of that which you lay at the feet of others. Pray about it rather than converse with the demon you have declared, by your own intellect or lack thereof, to be Jesus. You are the frog in the kettle that is slowly being heated to the boiling point and you do not even have an inkling of the danger you have placed your soul in . . . until the day is lost and it is too late for you to jump to safety.
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Bosco the Great said:
Asn aside, Good brother Servus, I understand you live in the south. I an jealous because of all that good southern food.
Did you know Johnpaul had this chair with the upside down cross on it? You can see it on my upside down site
cherrybombcoutour.blogspot.com
People can say Bosco is this and that, but their religion is chock full off occult symbols, Bosco or no Bosco.
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Servus Fidelis said:
So the lost of this world has proclaimed for 2000 years Bosco. You are no different. As C says, you are one of the lot that abandoned Him because His sayings were too difficult. You wanted an easy religion and assurance of your salvation and you got it . . . by creating this religion by yourself . . . and at the expense of the True Religion that was formed by Christ and given whole and intact to the Apostles as His Bride. We are the children of His Bride. As to you, it seems your mother is the flesh and corruptibleness of this world and your father a liar that blasphemes and creates division. You are not living as a citizen of heaven and yet you would have us think that you and those whom you say are the ones who are precisely that. Yet it is not what sense or understanding would reveal. For it seems that you are far off from the natural home of Christians who are only sojourning here upon this earth. You will claim love Jesus and love of neighbor by ignoring Christ and what He says and by mocking those who are His Children; working out their salvation with fear and trembling and hoping to persevere in their faith, hope and love until the end . . . laying hold then to their adoption and welcoming into their Heavenly home. All I can do for you in such a sad spiritual state is pray that the Good Lord will open your eyes and heart to Him and let you see that which is right in front of you.
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Bosco the Great said:
Now that you have chewed me out….did you go tom my cud site and see the upside down cross of Johnpaul and the bent crooked cross he holds?
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Servus Fidelis said:
I stay away from porn, blasphemy and sacrilege as much as possible. We get enough of that in the daily news, thank you.
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Bosco the Great said:
I beg your pardon. The porn on my site is light porn. You know simple stuff, like catholic priests kissing each other. I mean, gay marriage and relationships are legal now and accepted by society.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Do you judge pornography by what is legal and accepted by our society? If so, you need to develop a conscience.
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Bosco the Great said:
well, tell your holymen to stop having gay sex and I wont have any pics of them to post on my homosexual site. I doubt if your holymen will stop having homosexual sex. But its a nice dream.
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orthodoxgirl99 said:
Exactly so SF. Well said, although your words and those of C and others will have zero impact on the robot in question. However, good to read, nonetheless 🙂
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Bosco the Great said:
Robot
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Servus Fidelis said:
Would you have preferred mindless parrot?
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Bosco the Great said:
PS, now that you mention the twisted crucifix, you can see Johnpaul holding it on my twisted site
cherrybombcoutour.blogspot.com
Come in and find rest for your soul. Sign in and become a member.
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Bosco the Great said:
To be fair, not that I defend protestants,…..im aware that most of the big televangelists are Satanists. Either most or all of them. How do I know you say? Because they do the Satanist hand sign. There are tons of pictures of them doing it. There are pics of George Bush and his daughter and wife doing it. Most music personalitys are seen doing it. Business leaders do it. Dick Cheyne has done it. Obama has done it. But you say….ive never seen anyone do it. true, you haven’t , but you soul has seen it, and im pointing it out so you can see it. Im too tired to find the website. Ill post it later, or, you can search occult or satanic hand signs. satan extends the offer for worldly power if you worship him. that offer is open to all. I don’t have any pics of that on my satanic site because I focus mainly on graven images, not Satanism.
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Bosco the Great said:
I forgot to explsain why the eastern orthodox is as bad……The symbols. Snakes and skulls and stuff like that are all over it. Gives me the creeps.
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chalcedon451 said:
What snakes and skulls? You have now passed into total fantasy. In more than thirty years going to Orthodox churches I have never seen either. Have you ever been in an Orthodox Church? Do you actually know what the Orthodox Church is?
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Bosco the Great said:
Ill post picures in my picturesque site of all that and ill let you know. Rite now im dizzy and ready to call it a nite.
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Bosco the Great said:
What snakes and skulls? Oh sorry, I guess you caught me in a lie.
Not
I just put of few orthodox pics up in my orthodox site. No photo shop, just honest pics. sign in and become a member. Glad to have you.
cherrybombcoutour.blogspot.com
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chalcedon451 said:
No, I caught you out in something much more common – your ignorance. You clearly don’t understand the difference between Oriental and Eastern. Orthodox. The Copts use staffs with serpents on them to show that followers of Christ handle serpents – do read your Bible and you will find the reference. As for skulls, nope, I saw none. What I did see was a lot of stuff from pornography mags – I guess you don’t know gay men have fetishes about priests and sometimes pose as them. Is there anything you do know? You seem so ignorant of the matters you discuss here that it is quite difficult to believe you aren’t trolling us.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Chalcedon. Not to be contrary in any way, but both St. Mary Magdalen and St Francis of Assisi are depicted holding human skulls! Both used them to contemplate their own mortality and the shortness of time. Bosco should get himself a skull and carry it with him wherever he goes. Time is short and death is something we all face. Here is another little thing that may help: part of Benedictine spirituality is to think about the four last things everyday so as to realize one’s dependence on God and avoid all sin. Yikes! Some Saints weren’t afraid at all to face death and hell and judgement and all the probable outcomes of living in sin. And the brave Confessors who told others about these permanent realities were treated with disdain and even contempt for speaking about these main truths of our Salvation that need to be fully accepted in the quest for a holy life. What good is being saved by God if you never bother your pretty head with exactly WHAT IT IS that you’re being saved from? But that is indeed many do. They avoid all that “negativity” and talk about the nasty Hell stuff. It is sooooo black. God is love and they need the Hallmark version of Catholic spirituality. Clean it up and sugar coat it and then they’ll swallow! God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Good brother Chalcedon, you did see that skull the orthodox was holding. It was one of the three pics. The skull of Vaclaw. You don’t want to admit it. Its comforting to know you explained away the serpents. They show Christians can hold serpents. But what if the casual observer doesn’t know that? im sure that’s not the purpose, but you have to smooth it over. You have smoothed everyone of the CC pagan symbols. Each and every one of them. They are all so wonderful and godly? There is a skul and crossbone on the cross the orthodox priest is holding. I guess that means orthodox is kind and gentle like a lamb. id love to hear your version of the skull and crossbones.
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chalcedon451 said:
As I know a lot of Copts (have you met a single one?) and have been to Egypt (have you), I think it likely that my opinions are closer to the truth. I can’t say I lingered on your rather disgusting site – what an odd place it is.
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Bosco the Great said:
Yeah, Mary and Francis are holding skulls. Good brother Chalcedon has the wonderful reason. Personally, I see the occult and darkness. So would a child. Its creepy. Its not godly….its creepy, like the creepy holymen that staff that creepy religion.
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chalcedon451 said:
There is a reason a follower of the father of lies would see the occult everywhere.
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ginnyfree said:
There is such a thing as occult colored glasses and those who put them on only see black wherever they go. They have eyes that do not see, ears that do not hear and their makers shall come to be like them. Yet Christ it is who would open the eyes of the blind and free them from the land of the lost they bought the ticket for. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
say good sister ginny, did you notice good brother Chalcedon didn’t explain away the skulls Mary and francis had? Im sure hed say they are gifts of the holy ghost. And that they are wonderful. I guess there comes a time when one gets tired of explaining away pagan symbols. Since it is one after another with the CC. I don’t know why you all don’t see it. Plus, im not sure why the CC lays them all out for everyone to see. Its gotta be bad for business.
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ginnyfree said:
Hey Bosco. Perhaps you could explain away your choice of images: the clown face. Rather frightening to some small children I might add. Coulrophobia is a fear of clowns. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…………..I’m going to put my shrinking cap on………….God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
I used to be Bozoboy but I couldn’t get into good brother Damiens site with that name. Something went wrong. So imade a new account with Bosco but I used the same face so people would know it was me. That’s for all those who came to know and love me. All the groveling graven image cathols.
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chalcedon451 said:
No Catholic worships graven images – telling lies gets you to hell very swiftly. When you are there, alas, we will not be allowed even to dip our finger in the water to help the dreadful thirst you will have. You have been warned, but you know best. You are not saved, Bosco, you are bound for hell, and the devil wants as many as possible to come with you. Fortunately, all your raving here does is to show people how wrong you are. It may be that this will, in the end, count in your favour.
I hope you can be saved from the Bosco cult, but after all these years and all the prayer, still nothing. You are perhaps marked with the seal of Satan.
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ginnyfree said:
Lovely essay Chalcedon. You hit it again. Thanks. When I have more time, I’ll comment. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
Thank you, ginny 😊
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orthodoxgirl99 said:
Another compelling post C, thank you. Mind you, it does highlight how as a species we seem to make so little progress with our spiritual maturity… are we fighting enough with St. Michael and all the Heavenly Powers to defeat and overthrow Satan? Probably not would be my conclusion. Too few Christians and certainly too few to turn around the tide of greed, porn and self-indulgence. Passive tolerance (a phrase I heard used recently in relation to attitudes in the UK with regard to poisonous rhetoric, religious or otherwise) seems to be pervading the subconscious of so many of us now, possibly the result perhaps of being frequently bludgeoned by the over zealous PC brigade, that now people seem unwilling to challenge it or perhaps are anaesthetised to the evil and unsavoury practices percolating through our society. I am equally as guilty of this one – I do not go out of my way to speak about my faith as I am so often met with aggressive responses or just scoffed with the usual, worn out phrases of “Tell the Pope to sell up his riches; the Catholic Church is full of evil paedophiles; I don’t need God, I’m quite happy thank you; people have been murdering one another in the name of God for centuries, so I’m not interested in your ‘organised religion’ etc. etc. However, if someone asks me about my faith, then I will answer them and do it gently, hopefully to intrigue them so that they wish to know more.
We need to follow St. Paul’s advice and “Pray unceasingly”, trusting that God will hear our cry for help and accept our love and devotion amidst the chaos.
As for me, I ask frequently….Come Lord Jesus.
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Bosco the Great said:
When asked about his position on homosexuality recently, he famously said: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”
Nonetheless, the gay community in Paris expects the Pope to now practice what he
preaches.
A spokesman for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance here, Robert Simon — noting that the church hierarchy has plenty of discreetly gay prelates in its ranks — says: “The church is pushing toward hypocrisy… If you are a closeted gay, alright — if you are openly gay, we don’t want to talk to you.”
The Vatican won’t comment on the Stefanini affair.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/13/europe/france-vatican-diplomat-row/index.html
wHEN YOU LOOK UP HYPOCRISY, you get a picture of the Vatican.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. The person the Pope was talking about had already sought and received reconciliation with God in the Sacrament. Your little quotation is taken out of context and applied so as to mislead. Try again. Next……..Godbless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
That’s a direct quote from a news story cut and paste. My two cents is at the bottom. So, if its misleading, contact the editor. Godbless. Bosco the Great
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ginnyfree said:
When asked about the “unforgivable sin” found in Scripture, one of the answers I give is very similar to the quotation above. The only sin that God cannot forgive is the one that remains unconfessed.
Recently I had a discussion with a person who wanted to know what the “unforgivable sin” was that is found in the Bible and I said it only applied to that particular instance. Heresy is one of the sins that seldom gets confessed because the person doesn’t believe something that must be believed with divine and catholic faith and so refuses to confess it. God cannot relieve that sin at all because the person will not even acknowledge that there is a sin to be forgiven of. Heresy is worse than murder in that regard. A person who kills someone knows they’ve done something wrong and they need and seek forgiveness, but a person who refuses to believe in the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary for instance, will never seek forgiveness for that sin because they fail to see how it is a sin and thusly they go to their death without being forgiven. The sin then becomes unforgivable and they perish. Yeah. It really is that bad. Sincerely, if you know you have a problem with something the Church teaches about anything, repent and seek the Truth and forgiveness while there is still time! It could cost you your eternity to keep your opinions about serious stuff!
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
Yes, indeed – Bosco is, alas, a good example of this.
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Bosco the Great said:
That’s rite, I don’t believe in no immaculate conception. these cunningly devised fables. these one time events conjured up by the CC. Shame on the CC for misleading the people.
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chalcedon451 said:
There you go, you said you believed she was saved, now you say she wasn’t because there was no Immaculate Conception. So, you believe that God Incarnate was born in sin? Really?? You are on a roll today, Bosco – a sausage one.
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ginnyfree said:
Yummy! With peppers and onions! Oh my goodness, Chalcedon. So many frustration relieved by a sudden burst of humor! LOLOLOLO. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Good brother Chalcedon, everyone is born with sin. Mary was there at pentacost. im sure she was saved. No freakin way is Mary not going to be in heaven.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. Adam and Eve were created by God and they were sinless in the Garden of Eden. First book of the Bible. Is it wrong?
I think I explained it pretty well. So well, in fact, any 6th grader could get it. You did graduate the sixth grade didn’t you Bosco? What you won’t find in the sacred text is a particular passage that says it is the sole arbiter of our faith and that it has itself as it’s own authority. And everyone knows the Bible didn’t write itself. It says it is written so you might come to believe, not that reading it will save you or redeem you. So you just keep reading it Bosco it instead of using it for a doorstop. Perhaps the Holy Ghost will inspire you to actually do some of the things it says you should do to facilitate the process whereby you can be salvaged from the wreck you’ve made for yourself. Meantime, keep the insults coming. Like Holy writ says, you are blessing me and every one else as in “…..blessed are you when they revile you and utter every kind of falsehood against you because of me…….etc.” God bless. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
Sorry to see you don’t believe in miracles Bosco. Perhaps your God doesn’t do them, the real God does.
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Bosco the Great said:
That’s rite. Blessed are you when ye are reviled because of me. but cathols say that when their church is reviled because of pedophilia.
Oh, our church is the true church because people speak evil of it. oh yes. The more pedophiles the priestcraft has, the more it shows how holy it is. that is how we cathols explain it.
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chalcedon451 said:
As the authorised spokesman of the Father of Lies, Bosco, we receive his message via you and pray for your salvation. If you knew what was awaiting you in hell, you would repent. But then the father of lies would not have your soul, which he clearly values. A great shame, as you want to worship Jesus and have been duped.
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Bosco the Great said:
Im sure everyone is born without sin. But they get to it as soon as possible. Good sister Mary is no exception. All men are sinners, and if that means they are born in sin, then every man has been born in sin, Mary too. I guess by the rules of your religion im gonna wind up in the lake of Fire, eh good sister ginny? (;-D
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chalcedon451 said:
I see you do not believe Scripture. We are all born in sin and redeemed by Christ. You clearly don’t believe that God could save the mother of Jesus. You are either one of the most ignorant people there is, or the lack of water in California is making you rave. God is clearly punishing California. repent of your sins Bosco, try stop being in thrall to porn, and turn to the real Christ, not the one your drug-fuelled imagination created.
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Bosco the Great said:
When did I say mary didn’t get saved? Never. Im sure she got saved. She lived with John. But, she was a sinner like the rest of us. Anyone who thinks she was without sin, well, doesn’t believe scripture, as you put it. ill go away and never come back if someone quotes where Mary was born without sin.
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chalcedon451 said:
You seem to be claiming she was not without sin. If you admit she was without sin and saved, fine, but no doubt you’ll confuse yourself as you did with the body and the bread. It’s that thinking thing, a bit hard for you sometimes?
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Bosco the Great said:
at least I don’t belong to a false religion that has its members bowing down on their knees befor the works of mens hands.
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chalcedon451 said:
You belong to a personal cut led by Satan pretending to be Jesus.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco the Great! All hail the AATWT class clown extraodinaire! Please show me in the Bible where it states that all things necessary for our Salvation come from a book and where everything we are to know and believe about God are contained in said book and also where it claims to be the sole arbiter and authority for said faith and thusly brings about our Salvation. If you believed that in the Nth degree, you’d never need God, just a book about Him! Hello!???! Earth to Bosco – you’re nuts! Come in for a landing. Quit smoking the wacky weed in the evening. You’ll reason much better.
Mary, the Mother of God was preserved from all sin, original and personal from the moment of her Immaculate Conception until the day she ended her earthly pilgrimage and closed her eyes and gently passed from our lives to be re-united with her Divine Son in Heaven where she reigns with Him as Heaven’s Queen Mother. Like it or not, believe it or not, that is the Truth. Here’s a little help from the Word: Adam and Eve were both created by God and sinless. They lived in a state of unique grace in a place called Eden. They were sustained in this state of extraordinary grace by God for a time. The devil in his envy entered in and they fell from their unique state of grace. We in kind inherited Original sin and concupiscence from this singular event. Now, God being Almighty and capable of creating two human beings without any sin in them, as Genesis recounts, did this same thing for His own mother, Mary. The big difference is He sustained her in grace her entire life long, thus the Archangel Gabriel calls her “Full of Grace,” when he greets her. This too is recorded for you by Scripture. Now, if God can do all things and He is going to have a mother, why wouldn’t He impart on her His greatest gift of all, Redemption from sin? Read the Bible again dear Bosco, and make sure you read her Magnificat: “My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.” There ya go Bosco – Mary is saved by God but He accomplished the start of that at her Immaculate Conception in the womb of Anna, her mom and as it worked itself out through her life, she lived the title that God gave her as one “Full of Grace” and did so by a singular grace imparted to her and none other as the mother of Jesus, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Hers is a singular experience as was that of Adam and Eve only hers was without end. This is one of the reasons we as Christians do as was stated by her in the Magnificat, “all generations shall call me blessed.” And we do, even unto this day. Question is, do you?
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
She is blessed amongst women. her soul magnified the Lord. So do lots of people. Doesn’t mean she was sinless. Bible says ALL men have sinned. Your CC, that has you bowing befor the works of mens hands has said some singular exception has happened. Such an important even should have been mentioned somewhere. You said she closed her eyes….she died. The CC says she floated up to heaven and didn’t die. None of it is scriptural. You still didn’t find the verse to Marys immaculate conception. Oh, Marys mother would have to be sinless too. Or even that Mary was preserved from sin, can you find that/
In Timothy we are told scripture is good for all that ails us. Your CC has a bunch of weird stuff the shove down little kids throats, to scare them into staying catholic. Come out of her lest ye partake in her sins.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello again Bosco.
Bosco: Bible says ALL men have sinned.
Ginny: Scripture out of context is a pretext. St. Paul was speaking to a crowd of people gathered. He meant those there including himself as the Spirit gave him utterance. He wasn’t speaking about all mankind because if he was he was also implying Jesus had sinned because He was fully a man! Surely you don’t mean this in this way do you?
Bosco: Doesn’t mean she was sinless.
Ginny: So, if St. Paul truly meant every human being from the first to the last, then even poor little babies in the womb have sin as well as Jesus and His mother. Or maybe St. Paul meant only MEN have sin and that leave all WOMEN sinless!!! Howze that burn up in yo pipe Mr. Clowny Face? I kinda like that stretch of the imagination myself.
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
The Canon of Scripture is not scriptural, Bosco. We know it, like we know about Mary, from the Church. You do not. Know the Church, understand her book or know the real Jesus.
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Bosco the Great said:
Scripture is not scriptural. You graven image cathols are funny. Now I have to know the graven image catholic church in order to know Jesus. That’s rich.
Its obvious that good sister ginny posts while drunk. She says that not all men are sinners, that Paul meant that for a small group. the 2nd commandment was a jo.ke. her religion has her on her rusty knees befor the works of mens hands and she claims to know the bible. That’s freakin amazing.
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ginnyfree said:
P.S. Bosco, I won’t hold you to your word that you’d go away and never return if I could show you in Scripture where it says Mary could be conceived without sin. I did. You can stay. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Her soul magnified the Lord? Was that it? Sorry good sister. I want to see she was born without sin and remained sinless. Not that she was blessed. Lots of people are blessed. Anyway, Jesus said John the Baptist was the greatest person born of a woman. he didn’t even mention Mary. mary thought Jesus was nuts…gonna get himself killed goin around town acting like hes god.
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ginnyfree said:
When did Mary get saved? I already explained that Bosco. The fullness of her salvation was applied to her at her conception as a singular favor from God. This is why she was hailed as Full of Grace by the Archangel Gabriel. She is the highly favored daughter spoken of. Her flesh needed to contain the Godhead and since nothing impure can touch God, she needed to be pure in a way unknown to mankind before or since. One of the titles we use for her is singular vessel of devotion.
Bosco: I want to see she was born without sin and remained sinless.
Ginny: Do you believe God can do anything He? Is He really omnipotent in your mind? If the answer is yes, then why do you think He would make His own mother a sinner? So a verse in the Bible could be right? You have a very small and petty idea of who God actually is.
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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ginnyfree said:
P.S. Bosco. Which came first, the Bible or our salvation? Don’t think to hard on this one. It really is a no-brainer. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
You cathols are funny. You put so much on flesh. You say Jesus could nottouch sinfull flesh. he touched sinners all the time. You cathols have to stretch to justify your religious doctrines. its no wonder. There is one way to find out if the CC is true. Ask the maker of heaven and earth. Find a quirt time and ask him to show you himself. Don’t rely on Bosco…ask the holy one.
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chalcedon451 said:
And you, poor thing, make things up which are not true. No one here has said Jesus could not touch sinful flesh – so why tell an outright lie? What we have said is that the sinless one could not be born from sin, which is not at all the same thing.
You also make a very fundamental error. As we have discussed before, nowhere does Jesus say that his sheep will know the voice of other sheep, he says they will know him. I know him Bosco, and I know which Church takes forward his great commission. I also know that the Father of Lies is very active in leading souls to hell by pretending to be the spirit of the Lord. I pray you are released from his grip. No one who visits your ghastly site can fail to see who inspires it – and it is not Jesus Christ.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. With your “ask the Holy One” thoughts in mind, I read my Bible and hear God speaking: thou are Peter and upon this rock, I will build MY CHURCH. Matthew Chapter 16:18.
Shame you can’t, don’t, won’t believe that God did exactly what He said He would do at that moment in time and that is that He actually DID BUILD A CHURCH, as He said and it is 2,000 years old. Next…………..God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Her flesh needed to contain the Godhead and since nothing impure can touch God’ —ginny
No one here has said Jesus could not touch sinful flesh’—–Chalcedon
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chalcedon451 said:
What she meant by that would be obvious to the monkey, Bosco.
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ginnyfree said:
But Bosco the Great still hasn’t answered the question: Which came first our Salvation or the Bible? It is a simple question. Go for it you wormy little clown. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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ginnyfree said:
Bingo Bosco! Now you’re catchin’ on. Keep it up. If you fully accept that you’re sending yourself to Hell, then the good news is that God allows U-turns! God bless. And happy feastday. It is Ascension Thursday. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
The Lord tires of these endless feasts. What is ascenti0n Thursday?
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chalcedon451 said:
I thought you knew your Bible? You ask what the Lord’s Ascension is – really???
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Bosco the Great said:
She didn’t say Lords ascention. I never know what odd feasts the CC has come up with. that’s why I ask
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chalcedon451 said:
Still sounding like that monkey.
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Bosco the Great said:
My favorite is the feast of Saint Bosco.
Onward Christian soldiers
marching on to war
with the cross of Bosco
going on befor
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Bosco the Great said:
The CC is a pilgrim on this earth of woe…….a pilgrim full of gold and jewels.
Suit: Parishioners took more than $100K worth of jewelry from Melrose Park church
The Archdiocese of Chicago is suing several members of a west suburban parish who, a new lawsuit alleges, took jewelry and other adornments from the church valued at more than $100,000
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/604351/suit-parishioners-took-100k-worth-jewelry-melrose-park-church
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
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chalcedon451 said:
Yup, that would be Rome – imperial Rome which killed SS Peter and Paul. One day you’ll come to know the real Jesus and understand Scripture – until then, you give a good impersonation of a monkey with a typewriter 🙂
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Chalcedon……a monkey with a typewriter? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You silly man you! Thanks. I needed that. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
There are times with him when …. 😆
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Bosco the Great said:
Monkey with a typewriter…….indeed.
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Bosco the Great said:
Imperial Rome. Too bad…. revelations is for the end times, not for the times that good brother John wrote them in. Think about it. If the events in rev happened 2000 yrs ago, what are we doing here? Yeah, I know….your forced to say its far away and long ago…because it cant be the Rome of today. Because th4e CC has the deposit of faith and you hitch your salvation to it. Why? Because the CC says you have to. Any other reason? No. But the CC say I must belong, or else. therefor it must be gods church and rev happened long time ago. Uh, nevermind all the plagues, we don’t want to discuss them. That’s a hard one to sweep under the rug.
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ginnyfree said:
Okie dokie Bosco. Aparently you haven’t read the book of Revelation either. Here it is in plain English, Chapter 1 – 1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show his servants what must happen soon. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who gives witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ by reporting what he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud and blessed are those who listen to this prophetic message and heed what is written in it, for the appointed time is near.
Notice St. John says the things he writes of will happen SOON in verse one, then he reiterates this by saying the appointed time for them to pass is NEAR. They’ve happened. It is over Bosco. Many have twisted these words in various ways to try and mislead the innocent and the ignorant. They should be mindful of the curses at the end of the book, verses 18 and 19: “I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book.”
I say, come Lord Jesus. Amen.
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
sO GOOD SISTER, what are we doing here/ Why aren’t we living in the new Jerusalem? Why hasn’t the judgment happened?
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. We are living in the new Jerusalem, the Church. It is the City of God and St. Augustine can explain it to you if you read the book of his by the same name, “City of God.” The only judgement you need concern yourself with is yours and it is called the particular judgement. The end of the world and the other judgment at that time is Christ’s to make and all flesh will see the Salvation of our God and those who are to be condemned will know why as well as those who will be spending eternity with God and His angels in Heaven, the Saints. I intend to be in the later group. I’ll wave to you Bosco as you descend. Or if you prefer, I’m sure there is a Priest of God willing to take the time to hear your confession when you’re ready. But there are no guarantees. Your tendency towards mortal sins is so great, you probably won’t last long in a state of grace after. I recommend you make plans for very frequent confessions. Unless of course, your repentance goes deep and you experience an outpouring of the Holy Spirit and truly put on the new man……God has saved worse sinners than you are Bosco dear. It is possible. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Good brother Augustine is a liar.
And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
This is the new Jerusalem. Not that snake pit called the Vatican. The new Jerusalem has no more sin or vice, which flows like water out of the Vatican.
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ginnyfree said:
St Augustine is a Doctor of the Church and certainly knows more about God than you could even hope to, yet you expect your opinion of him to be respected? NOT! Wanna try again Bosco?
The new Jerusalem is the Church and we live in the Kingdom which is the City of our God. And all your ranting won’t change it one little bit. Give up and join us while there is still time. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
Not at all, it was natural for John To draw his imagery from what he knew. Still, you don’t know how to read the Bible, so you are forgiven.
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Bosco the Great said:
That’s true. Good brother John said what he saw and used the words he knew. but his discriptions are valid. Rev is still for the future. Most of it hasn’t happened. But when it does, people will see that it was true. You graven images cathols don’t want the bible to be true.
BB king just died. I shook his hand back in 1969
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chalcedon451 said:
You fail to understand either the book, or its message. As you are not a member of the Church which tells you it is Scripture, that is understandable; get yourself out of your Bosco cult, and you will.
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And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.”
Alright, heres how I do it. This is an angel talking to good brother John. The angel says the woman sits on 7 hills. So, I take it that the woman, the harlot, sits on 7 hills.
So tell me….what does the person in the church that Christ founded see this?
Just wondering
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chalcedon451 said:
Let us see. John’s friends Peter and Paul had been killed in Rome. I wonder what city John might have had in mind? I wonder who ruled the city and put Christians to death? Second epic fail in two comments Bosco – I’m beginning to think that monkey with the type-writer could have done better.
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ginnyfree said:
A little education for your perusal Bosco, just so ya know: The Seven Hills of Rome (Italian: Sette colli di Roma [ˌsɛt̪ːe ˌkɔlːi d̪i ˈroːmä] ( listen), Latin: Septem montes Romae) east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome, within the walls of the ancient city.
The seven hills are:[1]
Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
The Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus) lying northwest of the Tiber, the Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius), lying to the north, and the Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum), lying to the west, are not counted among the traditional Seven Hills.
This is taken from the land of Wiki and the rest can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_hills_of_Rome
Please note the Vatican Hill is not included in the 7, so try again Bosco. The only one’s whole will fall for this distortion of Scriptures are those who have not the above knowledge or access to it. 2 Peter 3:16 applies to much of your Scriptural cherry picking.
16: speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Was the angel correct? So the woman sits on the city of 7 hills. Is this accurate? Or did I fail as you say. if I failed, the woman doesn’t sit on 7 hills. Well, it says the woman sits on 7 hills. I just thought id believe that.
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chalcedon451 said:
It is all allegory, Bosco.
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Bosco the Great said:
Its all allegory. Pretty good allegory. The gold cup, the purple and scarlet, 7 hills. Pretty damn good if you ask me.
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chalcedon451 said:
Allegory always refers to reality, Bosco. If only you had any knowledge of literature and how to read it – oh well, you don’t.
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Bosco the Great said:
gOOD SISTER GINNY QUOTES THAT WE ARENT TO TWIST SCRIPTURE. yet the members of her religion repeat prayer and call perverts Father and bow down befor graven images. And they call it doing gods will. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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Bosco the Great said:
You good people forget that when the Lord had the hebrews make altars while they were in the wilderness, he had them use stones and not to alter the stones with tools. Use the stones as they were. So when they bowed befor the altar, they weren’t bowing befor the works of their hands. None of you graven image cathols ever talk about that. You talk about all your graven images….never about how god hates graven images. You get in your cars and run to see bird crap on a windshield and a plaster cast crying, but you don’t tell your children that god didn’t want people to use tools on his alters.
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chalcedon451 said:
God hates graven images when you worship them – that is what Scripture means. It is what both Jews and Christians have always taught. It is something those in Satan’s grip cannot understand, as part of his method of drawing their souls to hell.. Recall what Peter said about the way in which Scripture can be twisted to the destruction of the individual- then look in the mirror and see yourself.
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Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.
2 Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah.
3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.
4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
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chalcedon451 said:
You prove, continuously, your ignorance of the the Christian book. Burning incense before idols was a sign of worship in the ancient world. Another fail for Bosco.
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Bosco the Great said:
Why do catholics light candles, burn incense and put fresh roses infront of the statue of Mary?
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I have no problem with statues in the churches and I have no problem with petitionary prayer either but what has struck me is how much devotion is given to certain statues and especially mary. Can someone please explain this to me. Why do catholics light candles, burn incense and put fresh roses infront of the statue of Mary?
p.s. basically to put things into perspective here, im thinking along the lines of when does hyperdulia become latria! I am all for the theology of the statues and saint prayer but I still have some residual anglican things in me that get flarred up when i see the actios people do around these statues.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=196275
I know that YOU know that cathols burn incense in front of graven images of Tammuz, I mean Semeramis, ooops, I mean Mary. I get my pagan gods mixed up.
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chalcedon451 said:
You cannot be quite as thick as you are trying to appear. In order to honour Jesus through his mother. We really would do better with that monkey.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. Ever put flowers on a grave? Did you ever visit the Vietnam War Memorial? What about going to Museums? Is all of that out for you? Be honest. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
You prove, continuously, your ignorance of the the Christian book”
Er eh, I didn’t say anything. I just cut and pasted out of 2Kings 18
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chalcedon451 said:
Yes, that monkey is smarter.
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Bosco the Great said:
Even in Catholic Answers some people are alarmed at how some cathols act around statues. This is encourage by the priests. idolatry is encouraged by the clerics. What kind of religion is that? Its not of god, that much is sure.
Come out of her my friends.
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chalcedon451 said:
As you have already admitted that we don’t worship statues, you should warn against such alarmist nonsense.
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Bosco the Great said:
You have already said that the statues are there as reminders. For you, there is no problem with them. But many gaze at them longingly and get inspired by them. Ive seen people do this. Ive got pics of the pope reverencing a statue. Its not as innocent as one makes it out to be. It wont send one to hell, but images are substituted for a relation with Christ. They feel they are one with god because of what they can see and touch, and yes, cathols even kiss the images. Look at the cathols in here. They cant stand my message of Christ knocking at the door. If I spoke of images and men they would love me.
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chalcedon451 said:
You seem to be claiming to know what other people are thinking when, in fact, you are merely revealing your own prejudices. No Catholic worships statues. That monkey would get it – why can’t you?
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ginnyfree said:
Bosco, you’re just jealous. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Ok, you cornered me. The act of bowing and lovingly staring at and burning incense befor a statue is worship. Even though the person doesn’t consider ones self worshiping the statue, they are worshiping it. So yes, cathols worship the statue. Satan wins. Satan won in the garden. Eve said that she was not to eat or she would die. God said so. But the serpent said that it really was OK, and that it even was a good thing to eat of the tree. Satan now says its a good thing to make and bow befor images.
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chalcedon451 said:
So, were you lying when you said you’d never accused Catholics of worshipping statues? That your prejudice makes you think they proves only that that monkey would be smarter than you.
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Bosco the Great said:
Modern cathols don’t think they worship the ststue. But their action show they do. Its a continuation of Babylonian idol worship. You’ve got Tammuz and a holyman with a pine cone staff and a fish hat. Mystery Babylon. Mother church of all harlots.
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chalcedon451 said:
No, your foolish prejudice makes ill-informed people such as yourself think they know better what goes on in the souls of others than those people themselves. it is a terrible spiritual pride which will incur a terrible punishment when you are in the lake of fire. You have been warned, you have been told by the spirit of lies you know best, and when you find the truth, it will be too late. You will whine that it isn’t your fault – but it is, and you will burn in hell for eternity for your terrible pride. As you have judged others, you will be judged.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. The image wasn’t the problem. The disordered worship of the people was, so he acted by taking away part of the problem. It isn’t a blanket order to destroy all religious art. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
back in OT times, some female kept a little idol from a conquerd people. The leader was informed by god that someone had an idol in the camp. They eventually found it. She wasn’t worshiping it, but god got rid of it anyway. You cathols just love your graven images. Im glad to be able to see prophesy fulfilled. God said there will be idolaters.
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ginnyfree said:
Bosco, so you know – it isn’t the image itself that is offensive but the sin. I know you know your Bible good enough to know God had Moses fashion angels of gold to be placed over the Tabernacle and He was very specific about how they were to be imaged and made. Now if God forbids all depictions of His creatures, men, angels and all art, why did He ask Moses to make so many of them for His tent of meeting? Don’t strain yourself for an answer. I know you have no actual scholarship with which to meet these Biblical challenges, so I don’t expect an answer. But anyone who reads about the construction of the tent of meeting and all the specifics of it’s construction knows that God does not absolutely forbid religious artworks. He actually orders them to be made. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
why did He ask Moses to make so many of them for His tent ”
Its his tent and he does what he wants.
“So many” ? When do the bars open where you are? 2 cherubs are so many? OK, so why don’t you make cherubs and bow to them. God didn’t have any images of humans made.
God say for us not to kill but he had Joshuas armies kill everyone.
So, show me where god had images of men made. If you do, ill go away and never come back.
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Bosco the Great said:
that God does not absolutely forbid religious artworks. He actually orders them to be made”—ginny
He orders them to be made. The mantra of the cathol. I get that all the time in other blogs.
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God……God
Sounds plain to me. But cathols say that since im not catholic, I cant understand the real meaning.
God made me fashion cement in the shape of Tammuz, I mean Mary and Jesus. God made me kneel befor it after I made it.
Wheres the pope…I need to kiss his ring.
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chalcedon451 said:
I take it that Exodus is not in your Bible, neither is the Ark of the Covenant? God forbids the worship of images, he does not say we must ban sculpture and art. ISIS and the Taliban believe as you do – you are all philistine barbarians. They have the excuse they are thick Muslims – what’s your excuse?
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Bosco the Great said:
Im not against art. I don’t use art to direct my prayers, nor do I bow befor them. Let me refresh you here:
“neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it”
That’s not plain enough? Naw, I guess not.cathols defend their images tooth and nail….why?….because their religion is based on them. So, they have to defend them…it keeps them from waking up in the nite screaming.
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chalcedon451 said:
It is clear that God means us not to worship statues. You tell me you don’t think Catholics worship statues, so what point are you trying and failing to make?
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Bosco the Great said:
The biblical prohibition against having images for religious purposes and bowing down before them (and God’s abhorrence of this pagan practice) is clearly set forth in the second of the Ten Commandments and in numerous other passages of Scripture. For example: “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image.. to bow down unto it…. Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the Lord” (Leviticus 26:1; Deuteronomy 27:15).
http://www.letusreason.org/rc2.htm
The point is….The CC makes them for its faithful to use, which makes the CC cursed by god. Im telling everyone this in hopes that they examine the religion and its practices. Hopefully someone will realize its all a scam and get out and search for the invisible god, Christ. If one dies in this system, im afraid they are lost. if one dies unsaved one is lost, no matter what religion or no religion they are in. From the King down to the slave, one must be saved. But salvation is not offerd in a cult of graven images that is cursed by God himself. Prots are also cursed. But prots are quick to be open to the gospel whereas cathols are taught not to believe anyone but a priest.
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chalcedon451 said:
Quoting another nutjob is evidence only of the sad fact you are not alone.
A monkey could be forgiven for believing that a Church which preserved and defined Scripture could not read it; a human being less so.
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ginnyfree said:
According to the CCC “Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. Man commits idolatry whenever he honours and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods, or demons (for example satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money etc.”
So Bosco, how much inordinate worship did you give to BB King when you shook his hand? Did you wait to wash it like some ga ga giggly girls did after embracing the Elvis? Just how many idols do you have Bosco? On no, not one of those rock n roll legends are idols to you. How much money did you pay for all your adoration of them? Got memorabilia do you have? And why with his passing did you feel a need to publically acknowledge knowing him and meeting him? Was he an idol of the Blues world to you? Wanna tell us all about it Bosco?
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
I used to think he was the greatest guitarist, until a friend showd me page and Clapton and Hendrix. I was young. My mother dropped me off at the Whisky A Go Go to see him in 69. That’s when I shook his hand.
Now its time for you to tell us ur favorite statue to bow befor.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. I never had a mom who dropped me off at a bar. I wasn’t a lost person seeking for a father figure who would stop mom from dropping me off at a bar. I think you’ve been seeking a father figure in some ways. It is basic psychology. Nature abhors a vacuum and when one exists in our psyches it gets filled. You filled yours with guitar playing idols who you could look up to and emulate. Christ belongs there. Time to knock down your own idols Bosco and replace them with Christ. Your heart should be His throne. Thank you for sharing the hurt places with me. I have my own. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Servus Fidelis said:
I was probably there Bosco as I lived in Brooklyn in ’69 and spent a lot of my time going to jazz and blues clubs: saw Butterfield, Electric Flag there in ’69 for sure and saw BB king there as well – just can’t remember the year . . . could have been ’68 before I moved from the lower east side of Manhattan.
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Servus Fidelis said:
BTW it was the Cafe a Go Go club on Bleeker St. in the West Village. The Whiskey a Go Go was in Hollywood CA and another in Chicago.
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Servus Fidelis said:
Seems Fr. Longenecker was a fan of BB’s as well. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2015/05/me-and-b-b-king.html?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=standingonmyhead_051615UTC010517_daily&utm_content=&spMailingID=48670148&spUserID=Nzg4MDE5MTk1ODcS1&spJobID=681968564&spReportId=NjgxOTY4NTY0S0
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Bosco the Great said:
Cursed is the man that makes an image”….This is God talking. Do you feel like calling God a nut job? Better yet, a monkey? Do you feel lucky, well, do you?
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chalcedon451 said:
God says this because back then people built statues to worship. Only a nutjob would think otherwise.
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Bosco the Great said:
Doesn’t god say that he is the same yesterday and today? When did god change his mind?
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chalcedon451 said:
He didn’t – he still doesn’t want people to worship statues. No Catholic worships statues. Bring back the monkey – it was smarter than you.
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Bosco the Great said:
Re: Why do catholics light candles, burn incense and put fresh roses infront of the statue of Mary?
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The Seventh Ecumenical Council taught that veneration given to a sacred image passes on to the prototype (the holy person depicted by the image). It may be useful for you to take a look at the canons of the Council (Second Council of Constantinople I believe). Try a search at newadvent.org.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=196275
This is how cathols are taught. The prayer is routed to who ever the image is of.
This is nowhere in even the OT or the NT. My friends, you are being taken for an evil ride by your spiritual leaders.
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chalcedon451 said:
We pray to the Saints with God to help us – they are our friends. You do know what a friend is, don’t you. I pray for you.
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Bosco the Great said:
Thanks good brother. I pray for you too. believe it or not. A burden has been placed on me for you and servus and David.
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chalcedon451 said:
Oh, I believe you. You are blinded by ignorance, your mind is darkened, but God loves you.
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Bosco the Great said:
I resemble that remark
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chalcedon451 said:
You do, indeed.
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Bosco the Great said:
lets put an end to this. Site the verse where god says its Ok to make and bow to images if one doesn’t worship them. ill make the pot sweeter. Ill go away and never come back if you provide the verse.
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chalcedon451 said:
All the verses you cite banning images are to do with their worship. You simply cannot read the Christian Scriptures with enlightenment because you are not a Christian. You have no idea how the book came about or what it means. You are an ignorant man who thinks that the spirit of the father of lies is that of God.
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Bosco the Great said:
I await the verse that god says its OK to make and bow befor images. Thanks in advance
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chalcedon451 said:
It is right next to the verse telling us what the books of the Bible are.
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Bosco the Great said:
having trouble finding the verse eh?
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chalcedon451 said:
I thought you were. Surely if, as you believe, the Bible tells us everything, you can find the verse which says that? God’s Church has always said that tradition is oral and written and relies upon that, as the Apostles did. That is where Christian beliefs come from. You have a man-made idea which you cannot even support from Scripture.
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Bosco the Great said:
So Paul used to bow befor Mary statues eh? can you at least find some indication of that in the NT? Just even a little hint that they used images. Come on….you can do it….tough guy.
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chalcedon451 said:
I see you still can’t find any verse telling you what the Bible is from the Bible itself. Until you can, your whole method is busted.
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Bosco the Great said:
Bible speaks for itself. If you want to know what books are in it….open to table of contents. that’s a dumb question.
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chalcedon451 said:
Does it now? OK, where does it tell you what books should be in it? Thanks in advance.
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ginnyfree said:
Bingo Bosco. Fumble! The table of contents was formulated by the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit you weeney. 50 yard penalty! God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
is that all you can say? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Who freakin cares? I didn’t write the bible. It was here when I was born. Don’t ask me what books should be in it. the books in it are the books that should be in it. is that the reason the CC uses images? Because Bosco cant say what books should be in it? that’s the reason Mary floated to heaven? tell me that the CC doesn’t say that only the magisterium can understand the bible. that rite there is meant to keep the flock from opening it. Why bother, we cant understand it. So just keep bowing befor the graven images we set out for you and keep praying for Semiramis, oops, I mean Diana, ooops, i mean Mary to pray for you when you die.
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chalcedon451 said:
It was only here when you were born because the Church told us what it was. The same Church you ignore on everything and yet try to use its own book against it. You adopt the ludicrous position that it can’t read its own book, but you, who know nothing, can.
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Bosco the Great said:
The holy scriptures are the CCs book? That’s funny, I thought the holy ghost was the proprietor of gods words. Say, if the Cc is so hip on the bible, why did it burn people to death for nothing? Some religion. Yuck. I wouldn’t send my dog there.
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chalcedon451 said:
Again, you show your ignorance. To whom did the Spirit give the ability to tell the real books from the false ones? A clue for you – it wasn’t you and it wasn’t any church you are connected to. It was the Catholic Church. It was empowered by the Spirit to know Scripture and how to read it. You blaspheme the Spirit when you say that you know better an He does. What is the sin which has no chance if being forgiven, Bosco? You commit it daily. Repent, foolish man, or end in the lake of fire.
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Bosco the Great said:
The unpardonable sin is sin against the holy ghost. The only way one can do that is if someone say Jesus was a devil. But you cathols do that every day when you condemn my Jesus because he knocks on your dorr.
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chalcedon451 said:
You sin against the Holy Spirit when you say He can tell the Church what the Bible is, but not how to read it. That will be top of your eternal charge sheet.
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ginnyfree said:
Bosco, even if we provided specific verses as you demand, you wouldn’t obey them or admit their worth, so why should we? To simply bounce the ball back into your court?
Answer the question: what came first our Salvation or the Bible?
God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
First off, you cant provide a verse where god says its OK to make and bow befor images. Its your traditions of men that says its Ok. Second, salvation came first. I didn’t answer you because I had to relinquish the computer. theres more here than just me.
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chalcedon451 said:
Why do you insist with the nonsense that everything has to be in the Bible when you cannot provide the verse which tells us that, or, indeed, the verses which tell us what Scripture is? Are you a bot? You say things which have been shown to be nonsense and repeat them. This is the lying spirit in you. You cannot actually think, so you repeat what the father of lies has told you.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. You say: “Second, salvation came first.” Very good. Congratulations. You just admitted two main things: That God can save anyone He wishes to and He doesn’t need a book to do so. However, this salvation is not found outside His Church. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So, beginning with the basics, by your Baptism Bosco, you became a member of His Church which is the primary instrument by which all men are to be saved. Now, the next thing is for you to continue to admit of your errors and get your thinking and acting squared with what the Church teaches. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Being born again isn’t something I can relate to people. But if you don’t , you don’t know Jesus. Its real, and he said its real and he promised to reveal himself. Its real. If I can say its real, any idiot sinner can say its real.
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chalcedon451 said:
Mark’s. Gospel also says we’ll know the born again because they can drink poison and survive. If you take take Bible at face value, let us see you do this. If you don’t, stop telling us you believe it literally.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. You’re right about God promising to reveal Himself. He has. You simply refuse Him. Even after being shown the falsity of your twisted logic and beliefs. If you were sincere in your desire to know Him and follow Him and love Him, etc. you’d actually act on the things you get shown. Instead you simply blow more hot air. Oh well. You have been told. God bless. Ginnyfree
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Bosco the Great said:
Youre rite again. I can site tons of verses that say not to make and bow to images.
I just ask you to find just one little verse where god says its Ok to make and bow to them as long as you don’t worship them.. Gosh, I just read my own words. Its funny. The thought just hit me. Why would god say its OK to worship a statue. Bowing is an act of worship.
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chalcedon451 said:
I asked you to cite one verse which didn’t equate bowing to worship, you can’t do it because there isn’t one. That monkey knows more about how to read the Bible than you do. non-Christians cannot understand the book of Christians. Are you a Christian?
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Bosco the Great said:
Douay-Rheims Bible
I am the Lord your God: you shall not make to yourselves any idol or graven thing, neither shall you erect pillars, nor set up a remarkable stone in your land, to adore it: for I am the Lord your God.
I can site many more that don’t talk about worship the image but just say don’t make them or bow befor them.
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chalcedon451 said:
Christians who know God and who are part of his Church know what he is saying, pagans like you don’t. In those times people made images for one reason – worship. God forbade them to for that reason. It is such a shame you are so ignorant. Why do you suppose that you understand a book whose origin is in a Church you hate?
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Bosco the Great said:
I was under the impression that the holy ghost authord the bible.
Still waiting for that almighty verse.
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chalcedon451 said:
Were you? Can you provide a verse saying that which also tells us what the books are? Thanks in advance.
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Bosco the Great said:
I don’t need no verse to tell me which books are in the bible. I can read the table of contents. God didn’t make a mistake. he gave me his words. He is a strong god. My god doesn’t need help from man like your god does.
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chalcedon451 said:
So, you admit not everything is in the Bible. That’s fine, so stop using that as your only method of knowing God’s will.
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ginnyfree said:
Bingo Bosco! The table of contents was figured out by the Church and for 1200 years no one quibbled about it. Martin Luther thought he was smarter than God and tossed some books and came up with a new table of contents. Thank the Catholic Church for you Bible Bosco. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
I know Jesus. that’s how I know his will. his staff guides me and wacks me . Everything isn’t in the bible eh? So what part of the plan of salvation is missing? Is it in some other book? Or do cathols keep saying theres more to shut up the prots? Is that just a empty phrase or is there a book to back it up?
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chalcedon451 said:
Nothing essential to salvation is missing from the Bible. But to imagine that because it does not tell us that Mary was assumed into heaven that means it isn’t so is plain silly. The Church carries that tradition forward, as it did the tradition that there are only 27 books of the NT and only 4 Gospels. You throw out some stuff because you say ‘it isn’t in the Bible’, and yet you believe there is a Bible because that same Church tells you there is one.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco the Great. Fumble! You asked for a verse, so here are four proving to you that the Bible isn’t the sole source for information about God and His workings: Gospel of St. John, Chapter 21, verses 24 and 25: “24 It is this disciple who testifies to these things and has written them, and we know that his testimony is true. 25 There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.
And dear Bosco, if that isn’t enough, try the previous Chapter, verses 30 and 31: “30
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of [his] disciples that are not written in this book. 31 But these are written that you may [come to] believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through this belief you may have life in his name.”
So, the GOSPEL itself tells you that it is incomplete, (verse25) is written by and eye witness to the things accounted for, (verse24) that Jesus did much more than is recorded, (verses 25 and 30) and that the reason some of the things that Jesus did are written about and pay careful attention to this part Bosco, the REASON is so the reader or hearer of these limited thing will COME TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE MESSIAH and that through believing this you may also gain life in His name. But you don’t believe. You only want to give God lip service and you want to revile Him, His Church and all His servants. You are not the brightest bulb in the pack, but if you smarten up you could still be saved. I’ve seen worse men get help and turn from their madness to God in sincerity of heart. Come on Bosco, waddaya say. Jesus loves you and died for you. Least you could do is give your heart to Him. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Why don’t you open the door to Jesus? You rely to much on this organization. That’s sad. 1.2 billion are in its grip. the church tells us this….the church tells us that. What is this church? is it the gay cabal inside the corridors of the Vatican? is it a green monster in a box in the basement? that church you lean on also burned people alive for owning bibles. id get me a new church if I was you, good brother.
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chalcedon451 said:
I know Jesus, and I know his Church. You know only part and see hardly at all, and your mind is darkened. I pray for your enlightenment.
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Bosco the Great said:
Good sister ginny, what were these other things Jesus did that aren’t recorded? You use that passage to bash me over the head. So, pray tell, what were these other things?
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. Do you actually think all Jesus did from womb to tomb are recorded in Scriptures? Or that they should be? Like some sort of divine biography? Also the problem you are having isn’t with me but with the Holy Spirit who inspired the men writing under His influence to write the book you are having a problem with. The wrote what God willed for them to write no more no less. It is as it says sufficient to begin your life in Christ knowing He is the Messiah which draws you to want to follow Him. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Good sister ginny wants me to thank the catholic church for giving me the bible, which it just took off the banned book list in 1963. here goes;
Thank you catholic church, for giving me the bible and then banning it from the people and burning people to death or owning one. thanks for nothing you sick sons aof b%^$es
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chalcedon451 said:
The version it banned was a bad translation and led poor fools like you to hell. I guess the spirit in you would object to that?
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Bosco the Great said:
come on good brother Chalcedon, im not some student or some spit. the CC banned all bibles and translations. The edict doesn’t single out one translation. You embarrasse yourself when you try that. I thought you were a history teacher. Id get my money back if I was one of your students. Then again, I wouldn’t study history again, knowing what I know. I was history major. And I got the drift. Don’t try to snow me.
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ginnyfree said:
Bosco, provide you sources, CREDIB:E sources that show the Catholic Church banning Scripture. Without verifiable and credible sources, you’re simply blowing hot air. I’m sure you have them don’t you? God bless. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
No, it did not ban all translations, it banned unauthorised ones. there’s always one student who relies on misinformation from the internet.
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Bosco the Great said:
Well, thanks gin… I mean ginnyd up, ooops I mean ginny
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Bosco the Great said:
Show my sources for the devilish CC banning the bible? Are you serious Ms Gin? have you tarried at the strong drink too long? You fancy your self a catholic bible scholar, yet you don’t know squat about your fake religion. not that it matters. Away with you.
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chalcedon451 said:
That would be your way of saying you can’t prove what you say. Surely there must be a nutjob website you could link us to – or is the tin-foil hat not working?
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. An expected reply to your balderdash and blather. You haven’t got any legitimate sources for said accusations because there aren’t any. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. Fear not. I know of not one Catholic, myself included who has ever worshiped or made a graven image. What’s on your tee-shirt lately? Still no comment on your hand shake with BB King? God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
I stopped him and told him he was the greatest and he shook my hand. What else is there to say. wanna make something of it good sister ginny?
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Bosco the Great said:
Im beginning to know why you call yourself ginny.
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Bosco the Great said:
people made images for one reason eh? people haven’t changed. We just have better mouse traps.
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chalcedon451 said:
Only you, and a few monkeys, are arrogant enough to think they can tell people what they are really doing when those people say the opposite. Your site looks like porn from a diseased mind, but I am sure you think otherwise. Which of us is right, you, who have a bias, or me who doesn’t?
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Bosco the Great said:
Pictures don’t lie.
Tic tock….im waiting for the verse.
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chalcedon451 said:
Pictures are pictures, it needs intelligence to know what they mean. The ticking is, I assume, the empty space between your ears echoing?
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Bosco the Great said:
Cant find the verse?
I don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know what 2 grown men kissing are doing. Amazing. Youre actually trying to sweep even that under the rug. (;-D
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chalcedon451 said:
As one who goes to France a good deal, I can assure you that if you assume that two men kissing each other on the cheek are gay, you’ll get a smack in the face.
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ginnyfree said:
Oh Bosco dear, why do you keep asking Chalcedon for the same thing? Produce it yourself if you know where it is. I you still won’t answer my simple question: was it our Salvation or the Bible that came first? It really is a no-brainer. But I guess the monkey with the type writer will beat you to a solid answer. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Ive been to france to. Those dudes give new meaning to “Gay Paris” Every other guy there is a homo.
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chalcedon451 said:
That, alas, is what you get when you make superficial judgments. Don’t take your girlfriend to Paris, Bosco.
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Bosco the Great said:
hahahaha. Paris makes san Francisco look like Disneyland
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Bosco the Great said:
Uh, salvation came first. What do you care about the bible good sister ginny? You hate the bible. You have the catechism.
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Bosco the Great said:
cathols make images for the same reason as the Hittites did. Cathols bow befor them…place food befor them,….flowers befor them….put gold crowns on their heads….and even kiss them. Stop me when im wrong.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
You’re still here, are you? You’re still wrong. C is far too kind with you. Sad to see human intelligence this debased, Get over yourself lad. Good to be back!
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Bosco the Great said:
Well, lookee who the cat dragged in. Well so help me, im actually glad to see you. How are things?
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
You, too lad. None too bad. Mrs S hasn’t been at all well, but she’s more stable now, and my daughters are at home helping, so I’ve a but more time. Look in on my post today.
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Bosco the Great said:
My prayers for mrs S
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Thanks lad.
You know, you’re a good sort at heart, and when I were a lad, I had views much like yours, so I don’t want to be too harsh, as I once thought that way too.
I’m not saying the Romans are right on everything, but some of the things you come out with just make it sound as though you’ve read nothing since about 1930 – now, when you’re my age, fair enough – but you’re a young fella I think. So think on, lad, these folk believe in God – so try to understand them. In three years you’ve not made a dent in them 🙂
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Bosco the Great said:
They need to hear it. Im a watchman. I cry out when the enemy is near. I understand them. I too was unsaved at one time. God became man so he too could understand.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
They need to hear something not based on arguments as dead as a dodo. You tell a fella that he’s worshipping a statue when he knows he isn’t and you’ve just lost his attention forever.
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ginnyfree said:
Oh dear Bosco! You didn’t just say this: ” God became man so he too could understand.” Are you saying God didn’t understand or know something UNTIL HE became a man? That would mean the god you are thinking of is not omniscient? But guess what Bosco? God is omniscient. That means He had all knowledge all the time and lacked no understanding at all. Never did, never will. Next. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
I tell them they don’t think they are. I don’t see how they defend their use of images when god has nothing nice to say about them. Its not their fault. they are being true to their religion. but they are grown men and women and should be able to see for themselves.they have no excuse. if any open the door, then they will know.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
You’re going wrong here lad.
We’re not to make images to worship. God doesn’t say we can’t make sculptures and pictures and the like. Now then, like you, I’m not a fan of folk bowing to a statue, but unlike you, I’m happy to accept that no Christian worships a lump of stone.
If you accuse them of something they know they’re not doing, why should they listen to you on anything else?
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Bosco the Great said:
Its not me that says not to make them or bow to them. Its a heathen practice and god strictly forbids it. hes very jealous you know. Any religion that promotes that is wicked. So youre going to stand there and smile and wave while your friends here slide into hell?
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
It is a heathen practice when done by heathens. If I believed the folk here worshipped statues, of course I’d not stand by. But as none of ’em does, no point losing them by accusing them of doing something that daft.
You’ve a lot to learn lad. If you’re going to be the instrument of the Holy Spirit, you have to learn to be all things to all men.
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Bosco the Great said:
Good advise and thank you. I try to be all things to all men.
Ok, listen. Its the religion that I warn my friends about. Its not that they worship the statue, its that their religion provides the statues and stands by while they use them for worship purposes. They freely admit that the statue directs their prayers. Now, if the religion promotes that, is it gods true religion? What other false doctrine does it teach? My guess is, everything. The CC leads to hell, not heaven. Weve got to let them know, and let them know there is a way out. All unsaved will go to hell, but we have here a religion that is designed to send its flock to hell. Protestantism leaves the door open. Catholicism shuts the door. This is not some game I play. There is a violent war in the spirit world for your soul. If you saw it your hair would turn white.
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Geoffrey RS Sales said:
Now then lad, what do you mean ‘the statue directs their prayers’? Statues don’t talk, and I’ve never met a Catholic who thought they did. What they mean by ‘directing’ is that it helps them concentrate. Some folk need that – have you ever managed to do an hour’s praying without your mind wandering?
I’m well aware of the nature of the war we are fighting, but long ago became aware that one of the Enemy’s tactics is to use our own pride to make us attack other believers for things we think they are doing, when they aren’t.
Pray, lad, pray and see whether that isn’t what you’re doing. You’ll not lead anyone to God though ill-thought through comments no one believes. GRSS
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Bosco the Great said:
Good sister ginny jesus came to earth as a kinsman. he sufferd the same temptations and joy and sorrow as us. Then he was beaten to death. These things he didn’t experience sitting on the throne. Anyway, what do you care about Jesus? You have a man that calls himself the Holy Father.
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chalcedon451 said:
You clearly know nothing about the Hittites then. They worshipped a number of gods, Catholics worship the one true God – the Trinity. Do you believe in the Trinity Bosco?
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Bosco the Great said:
Hittites bowd and scraped and kissed and carried the images on their backs, just like cathols do. Stop me when im wrong
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chalcedon451 said:
You stopped yourself at that point. They did so to worship false gods, we worship the Trinity. Do you worship the Trinity, Bosco? Why did you avoid that question?
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Bosco the Great said:
I don’t need to answer that question.
Having trouble finding where god says its OK to make and bow befor statues?
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chalcedon451 said:
Which bit of my answer can’t you follow? I reject the man-made doctrine that everything is in the Bible. I reject it because the books of the Bible aren’t even mentioned. I work, like the Apostles, on oral and written tradition passed on from the Church God founded. It knows how to read its own book, you don’t.
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Bosco the Great said:
Im very aware that catholic tradition trumps the bible. But im not catholic. I don’t believe catholic tradition is over the bible.
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chalcedon451 said:
No. Catholic tradition includes the Bible. Indeed, it is all that tells us what books are in the Bible.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco dear. Second Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.
Now, that is St. Paul talking. He’s telling his brothers to stand firm and hold fast to the TRADITIONS he gave them, that is St. Paul telling them to continue doing what he told them to do either by and ORAL statement, or in the letters he’s been writing. There ya go Bosco the Great. The Bible telling anyone with eyes to see and read with that BOTH ORAL TRADITION AND THE LETTERS OF ST. PAUL are to be held fast to by the brothers. The Bible stating BOTH Scripture and Tradition are to be clung to. Got it? Get it? Good. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Why do you keep droning on about who tells us what books are in the bible? You hit me with that even if im talking about the weather. that seems to be your only retort…to everything. I think you might be a bot sometimes.
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chalcedon451 said:
You say, to everything, quote me the verse. When I say to you ‘quote me the verse which says what the books of the Bible are’, you change the subject, and miss the point. We know what the Bible is because the Church tells us; we know that Mary went to heaven because the Church tells us. This is the way the Apostles worked. Show me one example, just one, of the Apostles saying what you say – ‘show me the Bible verse’ and I’ll admit you are right. if you can’t, you should be smart enough to admit you are wrong and stop peddling the dumb line of ‘quote the verse’.
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Bosco the Great said:
Well good brother, I disagree. I rarely ask people to quote the bible. And, according to the CC, Mary didn’t just simply “go to heaven” She is now queen of the universe. I asked you to show me where god says its Ok to make graven images, or any image. Don’t give me the chrub thing. People couldn’t go in and slobber on them like cathols do their images. cathols make images of sinful man. God never had an image of a man made.
Good sister ginny, Ok, Paul said hold to the traditions. Be a dear and tell me what some of these traditions were or are. Thanks in advance.
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chalcedon451 said:
You clearly fail to understand the Christian book, but then as you aren’t a Christian, that’s not surprising. We hear God’s voice, we know what he means. You play games with a book you don’t understand. God ordered his most holy place to have sculptures because he knew the Jews didn’t worship them. Nor do we. only ignorant people think otherwise; only really stupid people insist on it when Catholics tell them otherwise. Still, as you have judged, so you will be judged. I would dip my finger in the water for you, but I will not be allowed.
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Bosco the Great said:
Good brother, So, let me see if ive got this rite. Jesus passed on oral traditions, some of which include the making and use of graven images, calling men father, repeating prayer, dressing up as holymen, electing a man to take the place of god on earth and holing a gold cup up. Oh and dressing up in purple and scarlet and buring alive people who wont give in.
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chalcedon451 said:
No, as usual, you have got it wrong.
The power of knowing which books were Scripture and which were not was given by the Spirit to the Church. The Church was also given power to understand that book. It tells us that we should not worship images. Like ancient Israel it allows the making of images to decorate our churches (as with the Ark of the Covenant).
You make no sense, because you appear to think that the Spirit does not tell the Church founded by Christ how to read Christ’s book. Then you blaspheme against the Spirit by saying you alone know how to read the Christian book when you clearly have no idea how to read it.
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Bosco the Great said:
Ive never once said that I alone interpret the bible correctly. I take it at face value. Jesus said not to call any man father. I take that at face value. Your church not only ignores that but has truck loads of perverts it calls father. Am I worng and the CC is rite?Jesustold me not to call any man father. But what do you cathols do? You have tons of idiots you call father. Who is wrong here? Oh , well, of course Bosco is wrong, because he doesn’t understand. jesus said actually to call every costume father. Our tradition tells us this.
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ginnyfree said:
Bosco, go to the little box and repeat this prayer: Bless me Father, for I have sinned. It has been umpteen years since my last confession………you figure the rest out for yourself. God bless. Ginnyfree.
P.S. And I’m beginning to think it is you who need to lay off the sauce.
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chalcedon451 said:
If you take it at face value, I am looking forward to you drinking poison, as in Mark it says true followers can do that and live. Over to you.
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ginnyfree said:
Oh dear. As in some rat poison? Yikes!!!! God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Bless me pedophile homosexual, for I have sinned.
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Bosco the Great said:
Ok, so you’ve got some tradition somewhere that says its Ok to make statues of men and women and its great to bow befor them. Wow. No wonder the CC discourages its flock from reading the bible. People might start asking questions
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chalcedon451 said:
No. What we have is a tradition which tells us what books are Biblical, that Mary was assumed into heaven and that God is a Trinity. What do you have other than your own limited intellect?
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Bosco the Great said:
I am a sheep. I don’t think for myself.
Your traditions of men. Jesus warned me about that.
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chalcedon451 said:
He founded a Church and said Peter was its rock. You ignore that. He said the bread and wine were his body and blood, you ignore that. You choose to believe a verse directed at the Pharisees and apply it to God’s Church – as the devil would want.
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Bosco the Great said:
Gods church? Theres a new player in town. Its called….Restored Church of God. They sound just like the 7th Dayers. The Restored church says its the true church of god and has been around since pentacost. they believe the bible and don’t fall for the traditions of men, like the cathols do. They sound good and are growing. But no one can fool the elect. That pagan costume holyman exclusive vice ridden CC is going out of style.
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chalcedon451 said:
Pagans have been saying that for two thousand years. there have always been heretics, and hell receives them greedily. Just try not to be one of them, Bosco.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Chalcedon. You’re doing a great job. Hang in there. I wish I had your patience. God bless you man. Great job. Ginnyfree.
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chalcedon451 said:
Thanks ginny – I think of. It as a form of penance 😀
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Bosco the Great said:
Now then lad, what do you mean ‘the statue directs their prayers’? Statues don’t talk, and I’ve never met a Catholic who thought they did.——-Jeff
Catholics tell me the statue directs their prayers. that’s the words they use. I didn’t make that up. If some cathol wants to be honest, they will back me up on that one. If not, I can cut and paste billions of quotes of cathols saying just that. Get a grip good brother.
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Bosco the Great said:
You sad sack chicken thief cathols. You all say the statue directs your prayers, but you wont confirm when I repeat it. You guys are worthless. Spineless jellyfish
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chalcedon451 said:
What that means is that the statue helps you concentrate. You may need one.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Chalcedon. I’m still waiting for Bosco to tell us who and how many idols he has sported on his tee shirts through the years. Inordinate love of anyone is a form of idolatry and the many tee shirts I see are actually worn not as gay advertisements, or to show support, but more to show who it is they really do idolize. The power of the modern media to corrupt is well known and this is simply one display for all to see of it’s effects. He won’t admit it, but I’m pretty certain that our favorite clown’s wardrobe speaks volumes about who he really adores and follows. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of [his] disciples that are not written in this book. 31 But these are written that you may [come to] believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through this belief you may have life in his name.”
This is saying that the things written are enough to bring men to salvation, even though all the signs he did aren’t written down. Jesus did signs for his followers so there would be no doubt he was God. that gave them the courage to go and die for the gospel.
But you want me to believe this makes the bible incomplete. The CC has these books of canon law, which if stacked would reach to the moon. I guess you’ve read them all.
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ginnyfree said:
Hello Bosco. Guess what? The Jarvik 5 Artifical Heart is quite a wonder, but nothing I would die for. God bless. Ginnyfree.
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Bosco the Great said:
That’s nice. Got any of that Beefeaters left?
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Bosco the Great said:
I suppose the message we should send to those outside of the Catholic Church who don’t get why we bow down before, kiss, put flowers in front of, etc. statues and icons, is that we Catholics take very seriously the biblical injunctions to praise and honor great members of God’s family
http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/so-catholics-worship-statues
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chalcedon451 said:
Is it long paragraphs which give you trouble, Bosco. This is a good explanation, so is it your darkened mind which prevents you from understanding. The father of lies is strong in you in that case.
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Bosco the Great said:
Ever heard of idolatry?
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chalcedon451 said:
Yes, and never met a Catholic who practised it. Ever heard of obsession?
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Bosco the Great said:
The Newark Archdiocese allegedly fired a Seton Hall University priest because of his support of gay and lesbian students.
The Rev. Warren Hall, who was among the school’s visible employees as director of campus ministry at his alma mater, stunned students by announcing his own ousting via Twitter on Friday.
“I’ve been fired from SHU for posting a pic on FB supporting LGBT `NO H8,’ ” he wrote, according to NJ Advance Media. “I’m sorry it was met with this response. I’ll miss my work here.”
http://nypost.com/2015/05/17/catholic-priest-i-was-fired-for-supporting-lgbt-community/
You see, the catholic church doesn’t tolerate homosexuals in its ranks.
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chalcedon451 said:
You criticise it whatever it does Bosco. That’s called prejudice, and you demonstrate it daily – whilst making the laughable claim to be a follower of Jesus.
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